I know the above info (in the title) past that I am lost on these two. The second picture (the one that is kinda messed up) is the 1685. Okay, folks, how about: what the heck is it? Country, denomination (I presume copper). Grade, (AG & Bad?) and values?
Er, whenever I see those three crowns like that I think Sweden, so there's my slightly educated guess, but I'm sure more expert people here can give a firm answer on that. First I can't read the denomination on it, but prorably 1 ore. The second is 1/6 ore. Yes, they're copper or bronze. Probably mostly copper. Hard to assign grades on these... details wise I'd go about G-4 on the first one and maybe Fine on the second one but the damage and corrosion renders them essentially ungradeable. No idea on values. Interesting pieces though. Oldest Swedish coins I've ever seen (if they are in fact Swedish, which I think they probably are). Where did you find these? Or did you buy them?
Troodon: I have no idea where I got htem, I was gonig thru a box of old stuff and found them. Thanks all for the info. Jerome: Any idea of values?