1954-D Roosevelt Errors / Mason Verger Coin?

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by Bmmartin, Oct 26, 2018.

  1. Bmmartin

    Bmmartin Member

    Sorry, I’m new to this forum.

    I have a 1954-D Dime that is... interesting. It reminds me of Mason Verger (from the Hannibal movie).

    Very few scratches, but don't know what's going on and if someone could explain? Plan on sending it in to PCGS for grading, but should I request anything extra added on (will be my first submission).

    I think that there are full bands, but there also appears to be a DDO and a DDR? And a doubled mintmark (or is this an MD because of the doubled die, or is it still a DD)? and it looks like Hannibal Lecter ate half of Roosevelt's face off?

    Sorry so many ??? and my photography is awful :p
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  3. l.cutler

    l.cutler Member

    That coin is badly damaged. I don't see any evidence of a doubled die, but I am sure the error experts will chime in. I see nothing to make it worth more than silver value.
     
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  4. Bmmartin

    Bmmartin Member

    Thanks? I’m curious about the errors, ie, is this a mint error or post mint damage, etc.

    The areas of damage are pretty reflective; doesn’t seem like something that other coins could cause.

    I have five others with similar doubling on obv/rev, but none with this damage. This seems to have the most off-center strike as well.

    But what could cause the mirror/cameo-like damage? The other is the reverse damage is almost like it’s in the shape of a collar. Does this happen?
     
  5. Bmmartin

    Bmmartin Member

    Probably should add, I don’t know if it’s visible in the pics, but the reverse “collar” damage, there’s faint marks near the mintmark... it’s really almost as if there is a half circle from the top rim damaged area all the way down to the center of the sheared rim at the bottom.
     
  6. alurid

    alurid Well-Known Member

    Welcome to coin talk. You don't say where you acquired your coin.
    Your coin is interesting to say the least, Seeing that it is a 64 year old coin that has no wear on it to speak of. There is still edge finning on both sides of your coin
    which shows it has not circulated. I think it has been in storage since it came out of a Mint roll or bag. I do suspect that it is possible that your coin has "Post Strike Mint Damage". Your coin has damage on both sides, and has not been in circulation after that damage occurred. Your photo is good enough to see the sharp edge at the damage point. Hang on to it, do some research, and maybe work on some better photo.
    The sad thing about this coin is that it is scarce enough that most will not recognize what it is. Even some "Experts" will tell you that it is nothing but damage and has no value. The Thing is "You" can not "Prove" that it is "PSMD" without Four of them
    Experts sitting around a table discussing/deciding what "It" could be.
     
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  7. Bmmartin

    Bmmartin Member

    Thanks!!! :)

    Backstory on the coin: I bought a couple of rolls and thought it was somewhat neat because it was in a nickel tube, then wrapped in foiil, and in another tube. I think the prior owner (deceased) knew what he was collecting because many were in incredible shape and each tube has about 15-20 dimes with clearly full split bands.

    This roll was more odd because many also had the doubling of the mintmark and letters. Would edge finning cause this or would this be a DDR? Some also have the doubling, especially around the w on the obverse.

    Thanks about the photos; I have difficulty taking pictures. I tried using one that hooked up to my laptop but...

    Thanks for the useful comments also. Do you think I should send this in with the others in bulk? Or where to research more on the coin? Sorry, many questions :)
     
  8. ken454

    ken454 Well-Known Member

    your dime is badly damaged and worth silver melt value and nothing more, if you send it in for grading, they will return it ungraded and you will have wasted money you could have used to buy a real error coin..
     
  9. Fred Weinberg

    Fred Weinberg Well-Known Member

    Please don't waste any money on
    submission fees to any service.

    It's damaged, and worth silver value only
    (aside from face value!)
     
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  10. Bmmartin

    Bmmartin Member

    Thanks y’all for the advice!

    I was thinking maybe it was a struck through coin or something. Oh well :). Thanks again!

    Last question, I like the coin and plan on doing a bulk PCGS with that date included. I was only sending ones I planned on getting slabbed. It wouldn’t be as bad that way right?
     
  11. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Go ahead, the loss sending it as part of a bulk lot won't be as bad as in a non-bulk submission, What maybe $8 or so instead of $16.
     
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  12. alurid

    alurid Well-Known Member

    The edge finning is a marker that lets you know that the coin has not been in circulation. It just means that it is in mint condition with damage. And because you cannot prove when or where the damage occurred it is just a damaged coin.
    Only worth melt. Even the Error Expert told you this.
     
  13. Bmmartin

    Bmmartin Member

    Yeah :) Just like Roosevelt's face! :)

    I forgot to get to the main point of the post! Trying to learn because I have other coins that have the same issues (not the damage, but the shifts)

    Is the mintmark an MD or a D/D? The other coins are a bit different, they don't have the triple-like appearance, just double. I'm trying to find one that I didn't put in a roll already.

    Also, is/are there double dies on the obverse/reverse? The UNI on United States was the clearest and the "we trust" appeared to have some doubling, but I'm kind of confused. These are the same on all the other coins (same location/letters, angle/degree). Thanks for the help!
     
  14. alurid

    alurid Well-Known Member

    You may want to start another post to ask about the other coins. The ones without damage, and see if you get a response. I can't comment on coins i have not seen.
     
  15. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    The mm is MD. Notice how it's flat and shelf-like and that raised part is much thinner than normal. These are some characteristics of MD. The obverse looks like die deterioration doubling which goes not any value

    You should read wexler's section about worthless doubling on variety vista .com. Error-ref. com is also a great resource for learning and understanding mint errors. Try those and you may be able to figure out some of your other coins

    EDIT: wexler's site is doubled die .com
     
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  16. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    If you are saying a circulated coin can't show edge finning that isn't correct. However the top edge of the fin will pretty much be the first place that shows wear.
     
  17. alurid

    alurid Well-Known Member

    Could you please read my first post and let me know what you find that is not correct there also. Sometimes I write to fast and do not explain myself well
    enough so others can comprehend what it is I am trying to say. Thank you for stepping up to the plate and letting me know that my statement could be misconstrued. I feel bad when this happens, as I do not want to give anyone misinformation.
     
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  18. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    A coin that has rim finning and is circulated will still have rim finning. The fin, being the highest point, will be the first area to show wear, but it doesn't disappear until it is worn away and that can take some time and sometimes quite a bit of wear.
     
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  19. frankjg

    frankjg Well-Known Member

    You should read and study before wasting any money on slabbing. Why throw money away before you even know what you are looking at?
     
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