Possible fake seller on Ebay

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  1. Beginner345

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  3. Inspector43

    Inspector43 More than 75 Years Active Collecting Supporter

    I have seen coin dealers do this before and found after some research that the dealers were using the fake sales to pad the feedback. I and several other eBay coin collectors ganged together and proved that he was padding his feedback. He just closed that account and opened a new one.
     
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  4. Craig Z

    Craig Z Member

    Bangcock Thailand is all I need to see to believe what you are saying is most likely true...which as a beginner collector, concerns me as I purchase many coins from so called "reputable" eBay dealers with high ratings. Making me question a couple of coins I have acquired this way now :(
     
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  5. red_spork

    red_spork Triumvir monetalis

    eBay ratings are meaningless. It's trivial for a fakeseller to work the system to get bad feedback removed and if the people buying their coins were savvy enough to recognize them as fakes they wouldn't be buying them in the first place, so most leave good feedback and move on, never realizing they bought a fake.

    As a new collector, unless you're sticking to very low value coins, you're better off avoiding eBay if you want to avoid fakes. Come back to eBay later once you've handled plenty of coins authenticated by long time dealers and auction houses. You're much less likely to get burned if you learn enough about the coins to spot fake coins rather than playing the game of trying to guess whether a seller is good or not by looking at things other than their coins or hoping someone already spotted them and added their name to a list.
     
  6. Plumbata

    Plumbata Well-Known Member

    That seller's "artifacts" and rings are mostly or entirely modern fakes, so I wouldn't trust unusual looking tetradrachms from them either. I'd avoid that seller completely.
     
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  7. Legoman1

    Legoman1 Active Member

    Beginner345- The "gold rings" he is selling do not look like gold at all, I think you may be right.
     
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  8. Theodosius

    Theodosius Fine Style Seeker

    It is probably harder to spot a ebay seller with all authentic ancients than to spot one selling fakes.

    That would make a more useful thread.

    Many of the good sellers are members here.

    John
     
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  9. Beginner345

    Beginner345 Active Member

    true!

    noahs ark usa ( or whatever he calls himself now. knowuzark or something)loves to call ebay and complain to get his negative ratings removed

    thankfully anyone with more than 3 brain cells can tell his crap is 100% fakes.
    I really don't know how he even bothers. the people who buy his crap must be the biggest idiots on earth.
     
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  11. Inspector43

    Inspector43 More than 75 Years Active Collecting Supporter

    These guys have sure fire ways to build up a high feedback rating without even selling anything.
     
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  12. Beginner345

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    Ive been thinking about that

    all they need is a bunch of ebay accounts, Its challenging, but doable

    step 1 :list a fake on ebay

    step 2: have several accounts of theirs all bid for the same item( usually private listing - bidders' identities protected") hoping it will lure some poor unsuspecting soul into bidding for the item. I am wondering if there is a massive ebay ring of multiple users all working together to boost each others feedback and sell the same crap to unsuspecting buyers.

    step 3: if the poor sucker wins, good for them. If nobody takes the bait, they simply either cancel the auction , or allow themselves to buy it from themselves( when they bid for the item themselves on another account).... and then write a good feedback for themselves on a different account.( thus proving to ebay that the transaction is real as far as the website is concerned


    Step 4: either they will have no returns allowed , or they simply will pocket the cash, cancel the account and start a new one once ebay gets wise.

    step 5: if the poor sucker writers a negative feedback, they can call up ebay and claim the buyer harassed them, and have it removed .if they don't want to do that, then once their original account gets too many negatives, they deactivate the account and start a new one,,

    and the cycle begins all over again
     
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  14. Silverlock

    Silverlock Well-Known Member

    Feedback has been gamed. A buddy buys 1000 one cent items from you. You never ship the items. eBay collects a few pennies in fees. He writes 1000 glowing feedbacks on the fabulous high priced coins he received. Wait 6 months. The buyer IDs and item descriptions are removed. Bingo. You are now a prominent eBay seller with 1000 positive feedbacks. All you need to do now is sell three high priced coins to three different shill accounts run by your buddy. He leaves you glowing feedback on the high priced coins he received that you never shipped and he never paid for. You don’t even have to pay fees under eBay’s first three items free program. Buyers now assume you’ve sold 1003 high priced coins. Profit. It’s that easy. Never blindly trust eBay feedback.
     
  15. Plumbata

    Plumbata Well-Known Member

    That seller seems legit overall to my generally untrained eye, however I recall seeing them sell some wildly iridescent-toned Greek silver that I'm pretty sure was fabricated using some sort of chemical or electrochemical process, or purposeful storage in conditions which would quickly create the lovely rainbow toning. Unscrupulous dealers of US silver (Morgan dollars most commonly it seems) will create the attractive but inauthentic iridescent patina to generate significant extra profits.
     
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  16. Beginner345

    Beginner345 Active Member

    ok
     
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