1831 Large Cent - what is this type of error? looks more than a cud

Cool coin and congrats on the sale. I can't really tell. but looks like three strikes to me, but you guys know more that me.

 

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You can't draw a straight line across the basses of the ED because the bases of those two letters are at an angle to each other. the best you could do would be to draw a line from the left most point of the left serif of the E the right most point on the base of the D. That line is almost vertical north and south. Trying to do the same thing on the off-center strike is difficult because those two points are not present. they have been wiped out by the field of the second strike. I do agree that if they were present they would be tipped to the right somewhat.

The line below the bases of CENT is even more impossible. On the second strike that line does run east and west, but it is impossible to draw that line on the off-center strike as the only part of CENT that is visible is the top three quarters of the C. But examination of that C will tell you that if you could draw that line it would not run east and west, the C is rotated somewhere between five and ten degrees clockwise. Look at the shape of the inside of the C. On the second strike the back of the inside is fairly flat and is vertical straight up and down. On the off-center strike it isnot vertical but is tipped about between five and ten degrees to the right of vertical. This fits well with the off vertical line across the bases of the ED.

What I used were straight lines along the inside of the upright of the E, the outside of the upright of the D and across the points of the two leaves of the cluster below the T in UNITED (And the corresponding leaves in the cluster of the off-center strike. All three of these lines intersect the C at the same points in both the off-center strike and the second strike. That tells me the C has the same orientation to the ED on both strikes, there is no third strike.

The only way to be really sure would be to do an overlay and see how things match up.

 

Still a good thread, shows how several people analyze the coin, our thought processes, and that we can have a civil disagreement.

 

I think John Wright (wrote "The Cent Book" and provided images for coinfacts) agrees with Condor as far as two strikes goes, but leaning towards brockage rather than a 1st strike:
"2) On the reverse of your coin you can clearly see part of an off-center
wreath (bottom right) that has been overlaid with the normal strike.
This planchet was first struck far off-center, either as a normal
strike or as a brockage. I lean toward the latter because even
though there is no design from the first strike on the obverse of
your coin, that area appears to be incuse rather than raised. "

 

I’m just researching an 1831 large cent with die cracks between the stars. Is there a Facebook page or website I can post and get comments? Edited: do not include personal identification.

 

yes, start your own thread & ask for help

also, not a good idea to post your e-mail addy to an open forum

 

post a New thread with your pictures

also, don't post your email address. Mods will probably come and remove them.

It's a nice example of a circular die crack. We have experts here that have them and have posted in the past.

 

Sure, right here, but please do so in you own thread and not tacked onto someone elses's thread that is five years old. Anther comment is that you need to take the coins out of the holders if possible when you take pictures, and shoot the coins straight on not at an extreme angle as you have here. Shooting at an angle creates distortion in the relationship between features that can make attribution more difficult and sometime impossible. I know what you coin is, and when you have your own thread I will be glad to tell you.

 

@John KENT Start your own topic in the US coins forum, please.

 

1. Great suggestions, thanks to all for the guidance! Looking forward to engaging, and becoming a functioning part of this community. Sorry for the rough start!

 

No problem...Welcome to CT.

 

Welcome @John KENT