Post your Lincolns!

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by New Gen. Nick, Oct 4, 2011.

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  1. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Here's a BIE That I got in change today. IMG_0004.JPG IMG_0003.JPG IMG_0001_1.JPG
     
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  3. Paul_62

    Paul_62 Just takin' it one day at a time

  4. 05Wildcats

    05Wildcats Well-Known Member

    Recently found this Lincoln. 1911.jpg 11 r.jpg
     
  5. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

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  6. bear32211

    bear32211 Always Learning

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  7. RonSanderson

    RonSanderson Supporter! Supporter

    1989-S Proof
    01c 1989-S PF full 01v.gif
     
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  8. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

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  9. Bambam8778

    Bambam8778 Well-Known Member

    That's a BUTE! I'm guessing you would call it metal flow lines. I have a few like that and when you turn them in the light, I love it!
     
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  10. Larry E

    Larry E Well-Known Member

    Some of today's hunt 1544246854146602587086.jpg 1544247174303581650640.jpg
     
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  11. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

  12. robec

    robec Junior Member

    Those aren't metal flow lines. They are bubbles trapped between the layers of copper and zinc.
     
  13. Bambam8778

    Bambam8778 Well-Known Member

    Thanks Bob! Are they eventually the death of the coin or if you store it correctly will it remain in that condition?
     
  14. robec

    robec Junior Member

    That's a good question. Just about all the proofs from the early 80's have this. I think the condition is fairly static. They came from the mint like this so it's not like it has developed over the years. Mine look the same way today as they did when I first got them.
     
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  15. Bambam8778

    Bambam8778 Well-Known Member

    I only have experience with the early '90's that I have purchased and it is very pronounced in those.
     
  16. RonSanderson

    RonSanderson Supporter! Supporter

    I'm not sure if this is the same mechanism as the bubbles that plague the early copper-zinc business strikes.

    I believed those were better characterized as bubbles if they were separations of the copper cladding from the underlying zinc. I do wonder what was in those bubbles, or if the metals merely separated and created a small chamber of near-vacuum between the layers - namely, the bubble could not contain any air unless it was punctured.

    On these proofs, I don't feel like the layers have separated. (Disclaimer, I don't know anything about metallurgy.) I would speculate that these were ripples caused by differences in the rate of plastic deformation during striking due to the different densities and metallic crystalline structures of thin-film copper (I've heard it's about 20 microns thick) and the much thicker core of zinc underneath.

    Is there a metallurgist on the forum? I'd really like to know!

    Here's a 1982 Zincoln. To me these look like bubbles, where the proof looks like waviness or ripples.
    01c 1982 Zn LD reverse 01.JPG
     
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  17. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

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  18. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Great job ron. I'm not buying the bubble thingies.
     
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  19. BadThad

    BadThad Calibrated for Lincolns

  20. BadThad

    BadThad Calibrated for Lincolns

    Proofs are struck at greater pressures on pre-polished planchets with fresh, highly polished dies. That process tended to smooth out the surfaces more than a business strike. As I recall, the planchets were exactly the same, they simply added an extra polishing step for the proofs. Therefore, the amount of gas inside the clad layer would have been essentially the same for proofs and business strikes.

    OK....down to it.... :)

    The wavy lines found in proofs are from the underlying gas AND from a soft zinc core with minor imperfections on the surfaces (they can't polish the zinc core). These simply manifest themselves differently - more smoothly - on proofs due to the above.

    As to why the bubbles exist? I have some boring technical theories involving impurities, galvanic corrosion and water in the core.
     
  21. RonSanderson

    RonSanderson Supporter! Supporter

    1990-S Proof
    Alrighty then, let’s see a couple more.

    01c 1990-S PF #01 full 01v.gif

    01c 1990-S PF #02 full 01v.gif

    Edit: Ya know, I like the added texture to the fields. I think it adds a bit of design and interest to an otherwise empty area.
     
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