Would Someone Be Willing to Help Me ID The Mint & Moneyer On This Penny?

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Aethelred, Oct 8, 2018.

  1. TheRed

    TheRed Well-Known Member

    The 2nd "DOMinus" coinage was also in his name. It was halfpenny and farthing denominations. Very cool but also expensive. Here is an example from CNG (not my coin).
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  3. Aethelred

    Aethelred The Old Dead King

    Love that "portrait. "
     
  4. Bert Gedin

    Bert Gedin Well-Known Member

    I'm not calling you a meanie, FitzNagel. You are wanting to find out more, not just about this particular coin, but, generally, about the Irish connection. Nothing wrong in that. I was setting out less from knowledge than a hunch, an intuition. Don't know if I can convince you, but I'll add a few comments, which may, or may not, be helpful. The four leaf clover is a symbol of Ireland - it's a symbol of good luck. - The Shamrock was utilised by St. Patrick. The symbol is thousands of years old. The word means "little plant" or "little clover", and the image can be seen on flags, planes, sports uniforms etc. Maybe even coins. - Since the 1800 Acts of Union between Britain and Ireland the Shamrock was incorporated into the Royal Coat of Arms of the United Kingdom, depicted growing from a single stem alongside the rose of England, and the thistle of Scotland to symbolise the unity of the three kingdoms. The shamrock has regularly appeared in British coins and stamps etc. Also on British public buildings such as Buckingham Palace. - From Obrien Coin Guide.
    "The Irish Decimal Fifty Pence. The Old Currency with the Coin used the Woodcock Design from the Predecimal Farthing Coin." There was more online, and most of the text here is not my own. Apologies for lack of images of coins, as well as medallions, good luck charms etc. Would Ireland be Ireland without it's beloved Shamrocks ???
    P.S. Don't forget that Irish penny of King John ! And please also consider a, possibly, Celtic Cross on that Coin we have seen here !
     
  5. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    The cross is called a Cross Pattée, which widens at the end, and is not unusual on medieval coins.

    France:
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    England:
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  6. Bert Gedin

    Bert Gedin Well-Known Member

    You may be right about your "footed cross" or, with respect, you may be wrong. But I bet you enjoyed your cat-and-mouse game !!!
     
  7. TheRed

    TheRed Well-Known Member

    Bert, there is no debate or room for questioning either the cross pattee or the attribution of the OP coin to William I the Conqueror. Fitz is right on both issues. It's one thing to ask a question about these medieval coins, but then to ignore the answers from someone that has an incredible amount of knowledge on the subject comes off as very odd, if not a little trolling.
     
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  8. Bert Gedin

    Bert Gedin Well-Known Member

    "No debate or room for questioning"? Isn't debate and questioning what Coin Talk is all about ? I am not bowled over, as you may be (sorry about that!) by anyone who has "an incredible amount of knowledge". And I haven't claimed certainty in this matter. You are not impartial, here, and I ask myself who is doing the trolling.
     
  9. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    The issue is that you want to debate a topic that has been studied by numismatists and scholars and offer nothing more than a hunch and the hunch has nothing do with the research that's been done on these coins. In addition, you don't even offer credentials that you've been a collector or student of this series. Then you get upset when knowledgeable collectors tell you that you're hunch is unsubstantiated because it doesn't offer any credible facts. Just because it looks like shamrocks, and shamrocks are Irish doesn't mean the coin is Irish. Coins of Great Britain have Latin Inscriptions and Latin was the language of ancient Rome. Does that mean I can posit that coins of Great Britain are actually Italian/Roman?
     
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  10. Bert Gedin

    Bert Gedin Well-Known Member

    Oldhoopster belittling hunches. Does he not realise that many of the great discoveries, and inventions, in world history, are the results of dreams or hunches ? I challenge him to consider that.- Credentials ? Coin Talk has honoured some of us as "Well-Known Member."
     
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  11. Aethelred

    Aethelred The Old Dead King

    With all due respect @Bert Gedin it is probably time to let the matter go. Thank you.
     
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  12. Tommo

    Tommo New Member

    Check out the different moneyers to Roberd, esp. Willem & Wace. These guys were not necessarily wielding the hammer, more likely clergy responsible for issues.
     
  13. Bert Gedin

    Bert Gedin Well-Known Member

    I'll let the matter go, if I can follow your example, Aethelred. But instead of using subtle bully tactics, I had been asked, by the Medievalist, to expand.
    Should I say thank you ? Maybe not.
     
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