ID Help Needed - Khushan?

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by gsimonel, Oct 1, 2018.

  1. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    I've finally gotten around to photographing some up the stumpers in my to-be-identified dish. Some of these coins have been sitting there for over 10 years. Gives you some idea about how difficult it is for me to admit defeat.

    Anyway, I'll probably be posting some coins every now and then over the next few weeks, hoping to take advantage of your expertise. Here's the first one. I can't make out much of anything on the reverse. Perhaps it's some heavily corroded abstract design surrounded by some non-Western letters. The lettering on the obverse reminds me of Kharoshthi, (or maybe Phoenician) It's about 18 mm and weighs around 3.2g.

    Unknown18mm3.2g.jpg

    Anyone have any ideas? Thanks for your suggestions.
     
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  3. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    Just a thought. Might it be Bactrian?
     
  4. Theodosius

    Theodosius Fine Style Seeker

    Looks like Hadrian ?

    Maybe a provincial?

    John
     
  5. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    I'm with Theo. Probably a Roman Provincial and so the portrait may or may not resemble the Imperial version of the person. That said, to me it looks like a Provincial portrait of Nero.

    @gsimonel, if it is difficult to make out the legend, perhaps a pencil rubbing might bring something to light?
     
  6. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    Great idea. I'll give it a try.
     
  7. Theodosius

    Theodosius Fine Style Seeker

    What is the die orientation ?

    Maybe you have the reverse upside down?

    I think Nero is s good guess.
     
  8. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    And can we see larger images please?
     
  9. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    I can't tell because the reverse is in such bad shape.

    DSCN0106.JPG DSCN0107.JPG
     
  10. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Thanks for the larger images. I don't know if I'll be able to help but it will be a fun puzzle.
     
  11. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    For a long time I thought it was some sort of Hadrian provincial. But I'm beginning to suspect that the obverse letting is not Latin or Greek, so that's why I'm wondering if it might be a Bactrian or Kushan ruler.
     
  12. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    I tried making a rubbing, but it wasn't much help. However, I'm pretty sure the writing on the obverse is Kharosthi. I've attached a photo highlighting 3 letters that are pretty clear on my coin. DSCN0106a.jpg
    I've also rotated the reverse photo 270 degrees. There are two dots on the left side that may be part of a border of dots. There also appears to be so Kharosthi lettering around the outside but within the border, but with so much damage, I can't make out anything in particular. DSCN0107b.jpg
     
  13. gsimonel

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  14. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    I think you're barking up the wrong numismatic tree-- the corrosion and wear of your coin is just distorting the legends. I still think it is Provincial and most likely Nero.

    Edited:

    I think I've found an obverse die match! Nero. Working on an overlay now :)
     
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  15. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    I can't say with certainty that your reverse is a temple but I think this is an obverse die match. Either way, I think you can at least now attribute your coin as a Nero struck in Tomis :). (edited: in ACsearch the only hits I get for "Nero Tomis" are these coins with temple reverse so it seems likely that yours is also a temple.)

    MOESIA INFERIOR, Tomis. Nero. AD 54-68. Æ 17mm (4.08 g). Laureate head right / Tetrastyle temple. RPC I 1836; Mouchmov 1788

    I used Photoshop make the CNG coin more of a line drawing for ease of positioning the overlay.

    CT-gsimonel-NeroTomisOverlayLineDrawing.gif

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  16. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    CNG doesn't spell out the legends but here's another listing which does. I think you were being mislead by the direction of the legend. It's counterclockwise, which made the sloppily-rendered letters look very odd.

    https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=428478

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    MESIE, TOMIS, Néron (54-68), AE bronze, Droit : NEPΩN KΛAVΔIOC Tête l. à droite. Revers : TOMITΩN ECTI-AIOV Temple tétrastyle sur deux degrés. Ref.: RPC 1836; SNG Stancomb 894 var. 3,30g.
     
  17. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    I am convinced. It's definitely Nero from Tomis. Thanks, TIF. You're amazing!
     
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  18. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Totally a die match! Great technique for determining that!
     
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  19. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    Nope, nope, nope!! You're totally wrong. It's Gallienus.

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  20. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Brilliantly deployed :D

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    @gsimonel, note that I changed the region on the attribution post. That CNG coin was from 2007 and either the region is a typo/error or scholarship changed. Probably the former. Tomis is in Moesia Inferior, not Thrace.
     
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