PCGS grade accuracy?

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  1. vent1020

    vent1020 Junior Member

    Hope everyone's day is going well. Even though I've been collecting coins for a while now, I guess I'm still having trouble with grades. I know grading is subjective and even with PCGS, I've heard stories of people resubmitting coins and getting multiple different grades. But I'd like to get your guys opinion on one particular coin I submitted. What I am going to do is post pictures of three different coins PCGS graded, a 1917 SLQ Type 1, a 1917-S SLQ Type 1 and a 1917-S SLQ Type 2.

    I'd like your guys opinion on what you think the lowest graded coin is, the middle graded and the highest graded(They all have different grades) Bonus if you can guess what grades each is. I'll post first pic, second pic and last pic or the obverse and reverse of each. After I get several responses I will then ask my question in regards to the coin I submitted to PCGS. Thanks.
     

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  3. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    Your pictures are all just slightly blurry, enough to make accurate grading impossible. They all look like mostly attractive coins (the corrosion spot on the reverse of the middle one is a problem).

    If you made me guess, I'd call them

    17 TI - AU-58
    17S TI - MS-62
    17S TII - MS-64

    But, with the blurriness of the pictures, these cannot be considered accurate guesses.
     
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  4. vent1020

    vent1020 Junior Member


    Thank you for responding. Sorry about the pics. Here are some more that hopefully are a bit clearer. And, I can tell you that you got one grade right and are close on the other two, so awesome job. See if these pictures help......
     

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  5. SilverDollar2017

    SilverDollar2017 Morgan dollars

    Since I'm guessing the PCGS grades, (and not giving my actual grade opinion :p)

    1917 Type I - MS-62
    1917-S Type I - MS-62
    1917-S Type II - MS-64
     
  6. vent1020

    vent1020 Junior Member


    Thanks. I'd be curious to hear what YOUR grade opinion is. :D
     
  7. Gregg

    Gregg Monster Toning

    Before you wonder too much about the PCGS standard I'd like to ask if you've read them? The very little reading I've done along those lines has been very informative for me.
     
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  8. vent1020

    vent1020 Junior Member

    When you day "Read them" what are you referring to?
     
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  10. brg5658

    brg5658 Well-Known Member

    Guesses based on the 2nd set of photos:

    1917 Type I - MS-63 (FH?)
    1917-S Type I - MS-63
    1917-S Type II - MS-65

    The designations are hard to discern from images, but I think the 1917 Type I has a shot at Full Head (FH).
     
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    vent1020 Junior Member

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  12. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    It's a good place to start, but not for understanding how PCGS grades coins ! I say that because PCGS has never, ever, used or followed ANA grading standards and that's what is on that page.

    This may help -

    First Edition -
    https://www.amazon.com/Official-Gui...S+grading+standards+and+counterfeit+detection

    Second Edition -
    https://www.amazon.com/Official-Gui...ywords=coin+grading+and+counterfeit+detection

    And I say "help" because PCGS doesn't follow those standards either - even though it's their own books ! But they did for a while, but last time they did was in 2003. Since then, nobody knows what standards they follow.
     
  13. bsowa1029

    bsowa1029 Franklin Half Addict

    I’ll say 62, 63 and 64 in that order.
     
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  14. vent1020

    vent1020 Junior Member

    I'll give one or two more people a chance to guess the grade, then I'll post a pic of them in the holders and what grades they are. AND THEN ask my question I originally had. Thanks everyone!
     
  15. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    Yet many people that have actual experience with them can consistently be right on the grades or +/- 1. Plenty of people have a very good idea of how they grade and an understanding of it even if you don't
     
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  18. Kirkuleez

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  19. Gregg

    Gregg Monster Toning

    65, 64, 66
     
  20. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    25 or 6 to four........... devil.gif

     
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  21. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    Great, now it’s stuck in my head. Gonna getcha for that.
     
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