At What Point Can You Call Yourself a Numismatist and Not Just a Coin Collector?

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by JCro57, Sep 23, 2018.

  1. Ana Silverbell

    Ana Silverbell Well-Known Member

    The dictionary definition of numismatist is a person who studies or collects coins, tokens, and paper money, and sometimes related objects (such as medals). Not sure it makes sense to try to limit the definition or distinguish between "collectors" and individuals who "study coins." Based on the definition, every person in this thread is probably a numismatist.
     
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  3. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    F-4. Phanton??? Nah my mlstake
     
  4. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    Dictionary definitions vary, and depend upon intended use. Every field has "collectors" and "researchers", with the lines frequently blurring. Numismatics is the same IMHO.
     
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  5. I think once you ever pay more than the face value of a coin, you are no longer a hunting coin collector! Then you are a Numistmatist!
     
  6. Ana Silverbell

    Ana Silverbell Well-Known Member

    I agree that there is no bright line between collectors and researchers but I do not see a blurred line between collectors and numismatists. By example, the distinction between collectors and researchers is blurred since a collector viewing a coin with a loop is arguably studying and researching coins. This does not change the definition of a numismatist, which includes coin collectors and researchers.
     
  7. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    There have been 85 posts in this thread so far, many different opinions and answers to the question offered up. But yet we are not even close to reaching a consensus, nor will there ever be one. This is why -

    Defining a numismatist is kind of a matter of degree thing. But depending on whom you ask that degree will be found in various places.

    What one must understand is that the answer to the question is a people thing, not a definition thing. For example, many may see themselves as being a numismatist, but if you were to ask others - is that person a numismatist ? - it's a certainty you're going to get several different answers. There will be some yeses, some nos, and some maybes.

    This is because everybody has different definitions for everything ! Even the individual words in the definition itself ! THAT is what makes it a people thing.
     
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  8. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Indeed it is.
     
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  9. TheFinn

    TheFinn Well-Known Member

    Don't forget the ACCUMULATORS!
     
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  10. spirit

    spirit Member

    Why use or need a label when it cannot even be defined or agreed upon? It's like pornography, it is hard to define but you know it when you see it!
     
  11. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Are you getting the point I've been trying to make ? It's not just the word numismatist - it's the majority of all words. For example, ask a 100 people to define the 2 words - studying and researching - and you'll get as many different answers and definitions as you did in this thread about numismatist ! As a matter of fact there are several examples of that happening right here in this thread !

    Over the years I'll bet there have been a hundred threads asking to define the term coin collector. Ya know what ? There has never, ever, been a consensus ! Nor will there ever be one.
     
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  12. KarlB

    KarlB Active Member

    From collecting the Walking Liberty Half Dollar, I learned about the post WWI depression, which led to discovering more depressions/recessions, and their affect on coinage mintages.

    So for me, collecting coins has led me to learning more about our own history, and then, on to the history of other countries.
     
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  13. imrich

    imrich Supporter! Supporter

    I personally believe you would be called a Numismatic Specialist, as I am called an Engineering Design Specialist where I understand how to best effect optimum design of devices.

    When it comes to Numismatics, I'd call myself a Generalist/collector, as I don't collect to complete a set, but try to collect most scarce U.S. coins, in volume if possible. I haven't an understanding of the errors, etc. which you might research for a limited type of coin.

    JMHO
     
  14. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    Do you keep a notebook of things you learn? If you do and you’re not doing it because you’re old, you are a numismatist.
     
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  15. imrich

    imrich Supporter! Supporter

    I believe one must have an interest in monetary (numismatist?) items to research, "collect" same and "accumulate", etc. Maybe it's time to start a new thread defining the differences of Researcher/Numismatist/Collector/Accumulator/Dealer/....

    I agree with Doug!
     
  16. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Kudos for that one Kurt ! I like it, and agree that is one of the valid criteria for the definition.

    Me, I used to keep handwritten notebooks years ago. But in the 80's I discovered how much easier it was to use a computer that purpose, and have done so ever since. And creating and saving all those files over the years has allowed to me to also share those files with others, thus helping them learn the same things I have learned through a lifetime of study.
     
  17. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    I keep a folder on my computer of things I've learned. I also have a wide selection of bookmarks of threads, websites, and articles with things I've learned.

    So, I guess that's the modern equivalent.
     
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  18. Ana Silverbell

    Ana Silverbell Well-Known Member

    "'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.' 'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things.' 'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - - that's all.'" (Through the Looking-Glass, and What Alice Found There, Ch. 6.)
     
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  19. juris klavins

    juris klavins Well-Known Member

    ...and some of us are just 'silver stackers' :D

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  20. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Hmmmm - not sure if that qualifies as a single helix, a double helix, or a semi-solid helix :D

    What I do know is I can't even imagine trying to do that ! :)
     
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  21. imrich

    imrich Supporter! Supporter

    Since I was a youth in a Parochial school, I carried a notebook. Upon technical employment I purchased "day at a time" calendars. When the first PC was sold I transferred data to floppies, then to hard drives, to external drives, multiple computers.

    When software became obsolete so that past data could no longer be accessed or printed as recently with Microsoft non-support of its programs, and no backwards capability, I went back to notebooks and Post-It notes. I now have desks full of notes, and computers full of data that can't be retrieved. When the "blue screen" finally presents itself, the O.S. can't be reloaded, and back-ups are seemingly worthless.

    Does anyone here know how to covert Lotus123 or Quattro-pro *.wk1 files to a modern spreadsheet format that can be printed from an XP operating system? I've not found any answers yet, as have numerous others who relied on commercial products that are now outdated, with new incompatible systems being generated.

    Many have tried, but solutions today are in the clouds. LOL

    JMHO
     
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