JUSTINIAN THE 1ST FOLLIS ?

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  1. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    That's what the seller thought it was and what i hope it is cause i wanted one. it's not real clear because of the patina, but i like it the way it is and there should be enough detail to tell showing. i take it it's from his 3rd year minted in Nicomedia. it's 27mm and 12 gms. RING IN PEEPS AND POST YOUR COINS AND COMMENTS:) Justinian l leopold 6 kreuzter punic tainit 001.JPG Justinian l leopold 6 kreuzter punic tainit 002.JPG
     
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  3. David@PCC

    David@PCC allcoinage.com

    Looks like Maurice Tiberius from Nikomedia.
     
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  4. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    ah, is that what it is?...thanks David..
     
  5. David@PCC

    David@PCC allcoinage.com

    In fact it can not be Justinian I because his regnal years start at 12 (XII). I am convinced it is M Tiberius, but I can't rule out Cyzicus as the mint either.
     
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  6. Justin Lee

    Justin Lee I learn by doing

    To back up what @David@PCC is saying, here's what I'm seeing on your reverse (U/I, RY 6):
    20180922_053255.jpg

    And here are a couple of my coins related to your OP, @ominus1...

    CollageMaker_20180828_224018997.jpg
    Justinian I, Theoupolis (Antioch) mint
    Struck 533-537 AD

    CollageMaker_20180828_224057185.jpg
    Justin II & Sophia, Nikomedia mint
    A/N/N/O - GI/II, Regnal year 9, 573-574 AD
    *Reading the dates on Byzantine bronzes can be problematic, especially when dealing with the numerals 5 (U) and 6 (G). Generally the "U" is straight across the top of the uprights, while "G" may have only the slightest of curves. Also in this period, the provincial folles of Nicomedia and Cyzicus have a variety of subsidiary symbols in the exergue on the obverse- wavy lines, crescents, dots, crosses and so forth. Their significance is unknown. (From CNG)
     
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  7. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    that's about what i'm seeing too Justin... i never was really too deep into these large follis types of the Byzantine era, other than having a couple examples in the collection. now i have three :)
     
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  8. Justin Lee

    Justin Lee I learn by doing

    3's a pretty solid number, especially with it being only a mild interest.

    In digging around on ACSearch, I'm curious if your obverse might be similar to this one a couple years later... Maybe a similar obverse legend?
    [​IMG]
    https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3527873
     
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  9. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    i'd say it was in that ball park.:)
     
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  10. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Well-Known Member

    ominus1, a Justinian I follis should be much larger in diameter & weigh more than 12 gm. See photos below of one I bought long ago. A follis or 40 nummi of that period should weigh about 17-25 gm, & should measure 35-40 mm.
    Justinian Nik. Obv..jpe Justinian Nik. Rev..jpe
     
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  11. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    yeah, it's got to be as @David@PCC and @Justin Lee have said, one of Maurice Tiberius, plus with your evidence of a Justinian l coin. but that's ok, i didn't have one of him either, thanks for ringing in :)
     
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  12. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Here's my powdery Maurice from an uncleaned hoard. Of course, under his reign the Strategikon was composed, a military treatise offering guidance for generals. In a way it resembles Tzun-Tzu's the Art of War, but with a more practical bent. For example, what to do when facing different enemies - the Slavs, Persians, and Avars are all referred to.

    maurice1.jpg

    maurice2.jpg
     
  13. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    i was reading about him, he was successful militarily, he quit paying the Persians tribute(beat them back), stopped the advance of the Lombards and regained much lost territory. had a cash flow problem and is noted to have been a better judge of policy than men. with his death came much trouble for the empire.
     
  14. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Well-Known Member

    Justin Lee, that Justin II & Sophia follis is unusually nice for the period; good strike, great patina, & legible date. It's amazing how much the obverse style has degraded.
     
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  15. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Maurice was overturned by Phocas when he made his troops campaign in winter in the Balkans, led to the uprising, and Phocas was one bad dude.
     
  16. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    that's how i always seen it too as a degradation, but someone in a past post mentioned that the coins looked very similar to the art that was dominate at the time and that's also true.. so idk if it was really degradation or style change... or maybe both...
     
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