The Seven Hills Hoard?

I recently bought a denarius of Commodus and with it came an NGC slip with the number and name " The Seven Hills Hoard". Given the pictures from the NGC website somewhere between NGC and my purchase, it was taken out of the plastic and cleaned.

I've never bought a coin from a hoard before and was curious what your opinions about this specific hoard are.

 

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It's a marketing name more than anything. The hoard was found far from the "Seven Hills" of Rome and never published.

 

If you send enough coins at once to NGC, and are willing to pay a little extra per holder, you can get them to create a hoard for you. It's all marketing by NGC and one of my critiques about their interference in the ancients market.

 

@Sallent should send his coins to NGC to create the "The Cuba Roach Hoard".




Cuban Roaches are real.

 

That's been the general consensus on the other articles I've been searching through. It's annoying that it's a marketing strategy and not an actual hoard. Either way I still think it's nice coin even with it not being from an actual dug up hoard.

 

its a nice denaius of Commodus, and has some provenance of being from that particular group of coins plus has been verified by NGC

 

I recall when slabs from the Seven Hills Hoard flooded the market a few years back. At the time I assumed it meant they were from a hoard found near Rome. Now I learn it's just a cheap marketing ploy? Boo!

 

Since 1940/ 50 Any hoard found in Italy is property of the Italian State, so do not believe to this ads

 

Or the "Seven Hills" of San Francisco ?

 

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Sallent,

This is a false statement. You do not know what you’re talking about.

The Seven Hills Howard was an actual hoard. CNG owned it originally in this country. I actually helped sort it in their office in 2014 and purchased about 100 coins from it. The rest was sold to a US dealer who submitted it to NGC. By having the hoard holdered as The Seven Hills Hoard there is at least a record of what was in the hoard although it’s not complete or published.

NGC will not call anything a hoard unless it was an actual hoard.

You really need to quit posting comments about NGC policies as you have zero clue what you’re talking about.

Barry Murphy

 

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Your name is completely different than calling something a hoard.

Barry Murphy.

 

So you are saying that I can put my name on it but just not call it a hoard? If that's the case then I misunderstood. It was my impresion that I could name it the Sallent Hoard if I wanted. I apologize if I misinterpreted what you said.

 

No I said you could put the Sallent Collection.

We do not call anything a hoard that’s not an actual hoard and we don’t put false pedigrees in coins.

But if you submit then and are the owner, we can put your name on the ticket.

Barry murphy

 

Ok, I know when to eat crow. I was trying to recall a conversation we had months ago and I got it wrong. I know when to admit I was mistaken, and I'm sorry. It wasn't intentional. I just got a thousand things on my mind, and I should have gone back, and reread things and refreshed my memory before saying something like this and sounding like a jack***. I apologize to you and NGC.

 

That’s the name of my favorite restaurant when I’m in San Fran. Fantastic food.

 

I'll take the other side of this debate.

Despite being a non-coin collector (but someone with an interest in ancient history), I appreciate ancient coin hoards as they give a coin both a cultural and historical context. After the coins have been thoroughly researched and cataloged, it is good to see some of the coins later released to the general public (and not buried deep in some museum, never to be seen again).

A few years back, there were some medium quality, inexpensive, and common Gallienus billon antoniniani on sale from a researched and published hoard. These (unslabbed) coins were being offered by a respected member of Forvm Ancient coins. These coins, hardly the most stunning examples of this type, were far more interesting to me than some perfect examples without context.

It is, therefore, good to see some of the coins from documented hoards being released to the public (with government approval, of course). The fact that these coins might be certified by NGC as authentic and belonging to that specific hoard would give the buyer extra confidence they are getting a specimen from that hoard.

We should embrace the history associated with these coins and not squabble over whether they were slabbed or not. For me, authentication is everything and only either NGC or a respected dealer can give me that. It's easy enough to break a coin out of its slab if desired, for goodness' sake.



(Daniel: Nice coin and cleaning, by the way.)


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So, let me ask, where did these coins come from?

 

Do you remember what year that hoard was originally discovered?