A Penny of John

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Orfew, Sep 19, 2018.

  1. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Many of you know I have been building a collection of the family of Eleanor of Aquitaine. I have the following coins.

    Eleanor
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    Guillaume X (father)

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    Louis VII (first husband)

    Louis VII.jpg

    Henry II (second husband)

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    Richard (son)

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    Geoffrey (son)

    Geoffery P.jpg

    Henry III (grandson)

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    Louis IX (King of France, great grandson)
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    Edward I (great grandson)

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    I have now added a penny of John. I thought I found one last month but it ended up being Henry III instead. I am very excited about this coin because I finally found one, and because of its provenance. It is a reference coin in J.P. Mass' Sylloge of the Coins of the British Isles (SCBI) 56, and was part of his personal collection. I would like a copy of SCBI to go with the coin. Unfortunately they are very sought after and command quite high prices. If anyone sees one available for under 150.00, please let me know.

    I really like the look of this coin.

    Please post your medieval coins.

    John (1199-1216), Penny, class VIa2, London,
    Walter, walter · on · lvn, 1.40g/4h
    (SCBI Mass 1755, this coin; N 974/2; S 1353).
    Good fine, dark-toned
    From the J.D. Brand Collection [from Baldwin October 1960];
    From the J.P. Mass Collection, Part I, DNW Auction 61, 17 March 2004, lot 355 (part);
    From the J. Sazama Collection, Part I, DNW Auction 93, 26 September 2011, lot 1140 (part)
    From the collection of the late ray Inder
    Ex: DNW Auction Coins tokens and Historical Medals September 18-20 2018, lot 192.


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  3. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Great coin & set!
     
  4. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    I almost bid on that one, but I got this example instead for significantly less.

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  5. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

  6. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    BIN on eBay.
     
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  7. TheRed

    TheRed Well-Known Member

    Congrats on getting John @Orfew that's a very nice penny. Are you going for a complete family tree down to great grandsons?
     
  8. Milesofwho

    Milesofwho Omnivorous collector

    I thought someone revived this thread for a second, but then I read the post. Here’s my eponymous moneyer from Winchester, subject of my first thread. Dear me, I should retake this one sometime. 50F97DCB-7AA0-4A1A-AD96-11B57085756F.jpeg 3AB1869B-4453-4B0B-AD39-FDC9BCC73999.jpeg
     
  9. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Thanks @TheRed

    Well it will not be a complete family tree, but yes I plan to add more. I have ten members of the family so far. There are many members of this family and not all have coins.

    I have my eye on a Fulk V, Charles I of Anjou, and an Otto IV. I have seen coins of Arthur and Eleanor of Castille, but they were already sold and are quite rare.
     
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  10. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    An enviable assembly!
     
  11. TheRed

    TheRed Well-Known Member

    Right, I would not expect you to try and get coins for people that didn't strike them. Poor choice of words on my part.

    I just saw one of the anonymous Arthur denier of Bretagne that @seth77 wrote about a while back for sale from CGB. You might want to see if it is still available.

    I think the hardest of those to strike coins to get from the English line will be her grandson Richard of Cornwall. He was crowned King of the Romans in the 1250s and issued pfennig(s?) and obols. They are very rare and command high prices when they do appear.
     
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  12. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    Awesome set Andrew!
     
  13. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    Hi!

    There are pfennige of Richard from Aachen and Dortmund, but there are no deniers of Bretagne assigned to Arthur I. The coinage of Bretagne between 1186 and 1206 is anonymous and mostly struck under the authority of Constance and Guy de Thouars, and afterwards, probably the type was continued, as it appears in hoards and such up to the mid 13th century.
     
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    randygeki Coin Collector

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