Slabs only kill value?

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For the first time I would agree with GDJMSP "Admin" guy. For some reason slabs just don't cut it sometimes and raw is better. I love nice perfect toned silver coins but I preffer them raw than slabbed.

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How do you put a pic here? When I click on the "add picture" link I need a web pic?
I would like to put my personal collection pictures.

 

As immoral and unethical as what this guy is doing, just what rule and/or regulation has he broken?

 

Obverse, Star #1 rimbump, " cut" SE of the 8 on rim.......

I believe the coin is the same, even more retooled by Seated.

 

Ok, fair, but keep in mind...they raise mintmarks all the time by pushing metal around. I would never doubt you Doug, just this case, history, known MO, all adds up to..........

Deceptive pictures sure dont help

 

Attached is why I think it is the same coin. I see what you all are pointing to, but I still think it is the same coin where something was done to the surfaces to make it look different. The angles of the pictures may also look like something was added, maybe it is some residue of whatever was done to the surfaces. I just find it hard two coins have the same rim tick marks.

Raw or slabbed does not matter to me, the coin does. It is what I am willing to pay for. I do not mind someone slabbing a coin and me paying more for it. Heck I might bid the same for the raw coin and then have it slabbed myself. I agree with Mark Feld this seller is giving the hobby(or business in some cases) a bad name. Different people have different opinions.

 

Nothing

Look at how the EDIT Lincoln guy gets away with manipulating coins and pictures intentionally for profit. Ebay does not care, high fees are paid. Trickery is not illegal on Ebay.

 

Doug
I cannot really make out what you are referring to on the talons, but I find it very strange that the 6 marks I have circled on both coins are in the same location for both coins.

 

My point isn't that the coin changes when you slab it, but that if it's already slabbed when you get it then you can have greater confidence it's genuine and natural than if it were raw. I think of it this way. If I have a choice between two identical looking coins and one is PCGS certified and the other is not, I'd prefer the certified one. How MUCH I'd prefer it depends on the specifics, but by definition, the preference is worth a premium.

If you are confident in your ability to make this determination, then, I agree there is no added value for you. I'm not at that level, especially when buying coins online (which is the only practical way for me to buy them).

The top grading services do make mistakes, but they reimburse buyers for coins that are erroneously certified.

 

Mark,

I was going to point out the same thing but you beat me to it! The pictures also show the same damaged ticking below the "1" in the Date and longer than normal ticking below the first "8" and the "4" in the Date. The coin apears to have had futher re-tooling to make it appear as a different coin than the first Auction.


Frank

 

Let's see! Jack pointed out that this person buys slabbed, problem coins as "EDIT", breaks them out of the slabs, possibly does some re-tooling, lists them on eBay under the Seller name of "EDIT" with bumped up grades (from XF to AU and VF to EF) and does not devulge the fact that they are problems coins that were previously slabbed. To me, that is deceptive selling tactics which eBay has rules against but don't often enforce!


Frank

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160188684214

as sold above



http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...=&afmp=&fsop=1%26fsoo%3D1&fcl=3&frpp=50&fvi=1

as bought ANACS problems

 

Yes, that something is Photoshop, and that seller is notorious for using it a lot. I can't tell on this coin because the first set of pics is really bad, but I wouldn't buy a coin as obviously digitally altered as the second set of pics. Whether it's the same or not, it's still deceptive.
Guy~

 

Here another currently running....same MO

slab

http://cgi.ebay.com/1834-No-Motto-2...ryZ39469QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

raw.....

http://cgi.ebay.com/1834-Classic-Go...ryZ39469QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

 

Jack, in case this helps your/the case any against that seller, despite his disclaimers in his listings, he appears to be in direct violation of Ebay policy as follows (see language about failing to disclose information about "alterations" and "improperly described", etc.):

"eBay does not permit the sale of coins or paper money that are fraudulent or improperly described. Most countries strictly prohibit the sale of counterfeit currency, as well as equipment designed to make counterfeit currency. Accordingly, sellers are not permitted to list these types of items on eBay.
Sellers who fail to disclose information about the authenticity of coins or paper money, alterations to coins or paper money, or other information which may have a material impact on the coin or paper money value may be reported to the American Numismatic Association (ANA).
Please see the "Some Examples" section below on detailed requirements for listing Certified Coins, Raw/Uncertified Coins, Replica Coins and Replica Paper Currency.
Violations of this policy may result in a range of actions, including:

• Listing cancellation
• Limits on account privileges
• Account suspension
• Forfeit of eBay fees on cancelled listings
• Loss of PowerSeller status "

Link: http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/selling-coins.html