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  1. HoledandCreative

    HoledandCreative Well-Known Member

    Bad photo, evidence is there.

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  3. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    S-251
    Reverse I has a short fraction bar with the leaf tip under the middle of M unlike the right upright on Reverse E on the the S-247. The only other short Fraction Bar is a Large Fraction Variety S-257.

    Obverse 5 has a wide date with the 1 a bit more distant from the curl and closer to the 8 than some others and the 3 distant from the bust. The HWH is under the upright of R.
     
  4. HoledandCreative

    HoledandCreative Well-Known Member

    Never did find one I could see through.

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  5. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    Fairly easy since there's only one variety of 1804, It is a S-266. It is not a restrike and is not S-266c with the CUD over MERC, but there is too much wear on the obverse over RTY to tell if it is S-266a without the Obverse CUD or S-266b with the obverse CUD.

    The odds favor S-266a R4 over S-266b R5. But both are rarer than S-266c R2 which can be excluded.

    Interestingly, this is the only case where the die State/Stage is used for a subvariety determination. All others are based on edge differences.
     
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  6. HoledandCreative

    HoledandCreative Well-Known Member

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  10. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    I almost picked up another 1803 NC-1, but someone else recognized it and wanted it more.
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  11. HoledandCreative

    HoledandCreative Well-Known Member

    I hate coming in second.

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  12. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    This is the other year with a single variety. S-270. I believe State III, but the distinctions between them aren't to obvious to me.
     
  13. Omegaraptor

    Omegaraptor Gobrecht/Longacre Enthusiast

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    Here's an 1803 S-245 Breen State III I've been thinking of picking up for $25.

    Breen says the die state is "very rare" and is touted as rare in auction catalogs but it seems like it's not very rare at all, as I'm seeing a lot of them popping up simply by searching around the Internet. Not sure if it's particularly valuable, either.
     
  14. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    I'm not sure how valuable any of the die state rarities are. There seems to be very little demand beyond the Variety rarity to drive the prices up. I may be one of the few that will pay a premium.
     
  15. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    This is my latest Die State pickup. It is a Terminal die State S-254 and I paid $34.49 for an R2 which would probably be about a $20 coin otherwise.

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    Maybe no premium with better detail but scratches across the obverse. But it did put me in a market I wouldn't have been in other wise. But this terminal die state isn't described as rare.

    I already had a couple from misattributing as other varieties from photos. But this shows the clear Terminal diagnostic.
     
  16. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    I'd pay that, but I'm not sure how many others would.

    3 of the 14 in Noyes are State III or his Reverse Ce.
     
    Last edited: Sep 16, 2018
  17. HoledandCreative

    HoledandCreative Well-Known Member

    A light date and a bold date? Only reason I have 2.

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  18. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    The first appears to be a bit more worn, but the second appears to be a later die state with mention of the defect in the field running to the neck in the latest die state. They may both be state IIIs.
     
  19. HoledandCreative

    HoledandCreative Well-Known Member

    I didn't think wear would show like that but I haven't seen others and you have seen many. Monthly Show here today and I was shown a small 7/6 but way too much $ for me.

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  20. Omegaraptor

    Omegaraptor Gobrecht/Longacre Enthusiast

    Wild guess - S-273? :p
     
  21. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    S-273 Large 7 overdate.
     
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