I think I've finally got it; 1983 P WDDO-003/CONECA: DDO-002 FS.802

Ok I'm hoping I've properly evaluated this coin. The die scratches are all in the same place as the reference images from other coins ive seen on this site as well as the 2 most reputable libraries online. If it is the die variety FS.802 then I have 13 of these most of them in very nice condition.

 

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Not seeing it with these images. No die crack from the base of the building to edge

 

The op has based his attribution on the die scratches however there are more pick up points to determine the variety such as...

 

I'll take better photos and resubmit for a proper evaluation.

 

This is of the variety I believe as the one posted as a comparison but likely a later stage die does anyone agree with this?

EDIT: Earlier than stage C because the die crack does not appear until then.

 

Lets see the other side of the reverse as well the entire obv. Of the coinis there a die crack under the FG?

 

I must return home and take photos of tbe obverse and reverse of the coins. I have no idea why i expected for a proper evaluation to be done by such a small portion of the coin being visible.

Also looking at the files held on PCGS; their only image of an MS64 RD 1983 FS-802 is presented with neither die crack on either side of the memorial.

 

Go here varietyvista.com have a look at the information there...

That would be stage D without the crack

 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjACegQIBhAB&usg=AOvVaw2OhccWfUffLon0_Yz2qyJQ

 

Stages A and B have no die crack.

 

Send them all to me .
I'll tell you what you have .

 

Ya better have another go at it stagee A does have the crack

 

I see no crack on either side of the memorial, at least on the Coneca website. I must be missing something.

Also I am now home and looking over many suspected specimens of this variety which I will post momentarily and I have found some with A.) Only die scratches B.) One die crack on either side but not the other and with or without die scratches C.) No die scratches or cracks at all; but at least all of these appear to be of the same die variety.

I hypothesize that these variations are due to the slow progression of the die wear and a slightly varied striking pressure. I have found one in my inventory that has both die cracks and the die scratches which I will post subsequent to this submission.

 

Here is the example with all 3; the die cracks at least are visible in this image.

 

Did you read the die stages chart? Especially "D"stage? [ reverse die change] -EDS
I don't collect cents well Lincoln Memorials From my collecting point of view these are minor varieties. With little or no interest to most collectors.
Not putting you down for your choices just saying these aren't of much interest to myself.
However one must take quite a few views on any varieties...as opions do vary.
My sorces came from Dr. Wiles @varietyvista.com that doesn't necessarily make me correct just presenting his information on this coin.

 

I have been referencing the publicly available, die variety information from "Variety Vista" and also from Dr.Wexler's site. I must assure you that it's noted that 1983 P DDR-002/FS-802 is the same as 1983 P WDDR-003.

Firstly, I must argue to the contrary on the statement that there are few collectors that delve into Lincoln Memorial cents.There are endless leagues of individuals whom collect ONLY Lincoln cents and not just those of the Wheat type reverse, as I contend that the Memorial cents are very popular with a vast number of collectors and far more resources exist than what would be expected for such a disliked sector of numismatics, to aid the hobbyist and professional numismatist alike.

Secondly, I am not at all a wealthy man. This being a fact I am unable to actively search and accumulate coins of higher denominations or greater value because I simply do not possess the means of which is necessary to maintain such an active and almost infinite objective. To me five dollars might mean I'm completely, excuse the vernacular, screwed and can't even go anywhere for a few days because my car will be out of gas.

Third; my original approach was primarily for the acquisition of a great or at least decent profit from the coins I find. Very undesirable in the commumity and looked down upon as I look mostly to sell and not collect them. Over time however, I have grown to very much appreciate the very pleasing to the eye nature of coins and I have a few set aside that I probably will never trade or sell because of my newfound love and appreciation for numismatics.

That all being said; there was no offense taken into consideration, for I know little, but from reading on this forum it seems that many folks don't like to deal with or even look over clad coins; which cuts out all post-1964 denominations aside from the Lincoln Cent. Now as for older U.S coins and ancient coins I am learning about them but know little of preferences taken by other collectors and numismatists.

One thing I do know is that regarding the subject matter of this post; the public information on Variety Vista for 1983 P DDO-002/FS-802 otherwise known as 1983 P WDDR-003 on Wexler's shows no die cracks on either stage A or B and is such that there is no stage D currently listed in that reference imaging.

Maybe if you are in touch with Dr.Wiles you can request he update his page on that die variety. Thanks.