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S-227

Reverse B is pretty certain with the locations of the leaf tips curve of D, left center of S, left center of O, middle of M and the berry right of E below the top of E. It is paired with 4 obverses. Obverse 1 (S-226), Obverse 2 (NC-1), Obverse 3 (S-227) and Obverse 4 (S-229).

I eliminated Obverse 1 because the 1 on obverse 1 almost touches the hair and 02 is well spaced.

Obverse 2 also has a well spaced separation at 02 and usually has a crack from the ear throiugh the bust to the rim just right of 2. So it is eliminated.

Obverse 3 looks right because it has 8 a little high and 02 a little close, some clashing in front of the neck and LIBERTY close to the hair.

Obverse 4 has the close 02, but the 1 is a little too far from the hair and LIBERTY is too far from the hair. It often has a crack through ERTY as well. So this is eliminated.

Thus S-227. It is an R2 variety.

 

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S-231.

The reverse E is a stemless wreath with the berry right of (N)E at the top of the E. The only other stemless 1802 reverse (S-241) is below the top of E.

It's only obverse pairing is 6 and the hair and date spacing is right.

 

This one has an edge bump at 18, also. No sure if able to make a cud though.

 

This is another S-232 with CUD.

It is most angular CUD yet and the crack through TE of UNITED which I couldn't see on any of the others is there so at least Reverse stage E.

It is possible the obverse CUD is there and previously unknown since the rim was beginning to break down from left of 1 to just left of 2 on the Noyes B/E example.

It is the latest stage I've seen whether a new die state C/E or C/F or not. You have a very nice run of late die state S-232s much like my S-220s and S-223s.

ps The F on my comp refers to Reverse F, not State F.

 

A blind squirrel gets a nut once in a while. Are they worth more than a nut?

The final 1802:

 

As far as price, probably not much. But as a numismatic piece of interest, certainly. We just need a few more collectors of die states to boost the demand side.

Now the last 1802 has no berry right of (N)T limiting it to Reverses H and K. Since the leaf point is under the upright of D, it is Reverse H.

As before we look at the positions of the HWH and SHWH. They are under the centers of R and E respectively so it is the third Obverse pairing with Obverse 10 or the S-236.

 

Obverse 4 with the date evenly and widely spaced with 1 and 3 close, but not touching the hair and bust respectively. On the 1803s the 03 are usually close, so that eliminates most obverses. There is also a mumps defect under the chin which is why it is known as the MUMPS Obverse. Yours is in a shadow so it's not obvious. But easy confirmation because the right foot of T and Y are defective.

This obverse is paired with reveres D, E, F and G.

Reverse D and G have a leaf point under the center of M while the subject is under the right upright, so it's not D or G.

Reverse E looks like a good candidate.

Reverse F is close, but the leaf tip at T is close to T, Leaf tip at D is under the center rather than the curve and other similar subtle differences.

So a 4G or S-247 R3.

Now I see what looks like a crack from the berry under M to the middle bottom of A(M). I'll check for die state using this marker.

OK? While checking for this marker, I noticed the comps all indicate the AME are all joined at the bases. While the subject appears to almost touch, it does not appear to touch and certainly not joined. Also, there is no mention of the marker I was looking for.

I have to run some errands. I'll get back to it later.

 

In looking at higher grade examples, it appears the AME are not joined as it appears on worn specimens. There is still no mention of a crack from the berry to the bottom of A, but the latest die state mentions a crack from the rim below the left ribbon above the U to the rim above N on Breen's Die State III (Terminal). If you could provide a close up of this area, perhaps it can be seen. I think I see something above the N, but I can't be sure. The crack from the berry to A would have to come after the one above N if it is indeed a crack and not PMD.

 

I found an example in the Heritage Auction Archives from October 2006 which shows the die Crack of State III and what appears to be the beginning of the crack from the berry to the bottom of A. It's not strong enough on it's own, but as an indicator of the die progression after III, it is evidence that the crack seen on yours may very well be a later crack and not PMD.




I might be more visible on yours since yours is the only one of the late states which is not weak at OF and the tip of the bust. Perhaps a correction of axial misalignment just before discarding the die.

This could also explain what appears to be an extensive die crack at the top of TES OF which cannot be seen in other examples of State III.

 

I am seeing only PMD on this coin and no die cracks. None of the marks are raised. Using a 20 power glass, there is nothing around left ribbon and U. Just a long scratch above ES to O. Under RI is a scrape.

A more worn one:

 

As helpful as photos are, there's nothing like seeing it in the copper. Particularly when distinguishing depth in determining whether something is a crack (raised) or a scratch (grooved).

Fist thing about this coin is that it is a Large Fraction and small 3 which means I can eliminate everything before S-257, S-264 and S-265.

The stems are very close to the leaves above them. The numerator is slightly left of center. The point of the leaf under O is on the right side of O but not between O and F. Also
the leaf tip at (N)T is outside of the serif of T and close to it. So Reverse N.

HWH is under center of R so Obverse 11.
11N is the S-258 R1.

 

Totally agree. In hand is the best.

 

That one just jumps out at you S-261, the arc crack though the hair running down to the rim between the 80.

 

A fast one.

 

I concur with Conder. S-261.

 

Same Reverse but paired with Obverse 12. The S-260.

 

Another fast one, and probably another.

 

While it is the S-261, it appears to be Breen Die State I/Noyes Stage A without any evidence of the crack between 8 and 0.