Hi all, I hope someone can tell me more about this Caracalla / Julia Domna coin. I found this coin a while ago on a second hand market, but have not able to identify it. To me there are no signs of forgery, but that might also me my lack of knowledge. Has anybody ever seen this combi of obs & rev?? Thanks for the help.
There is one on vcoins here: https://www.vcoins.com/en/stores/pa...us_lovely_style_very_rare/978896/Default.aspx But the legend on the side with the male bust is different but the busts look close. An expert like @Roman Collector would know about this. and here is one on CNG but again the legend on the Caracalla side is different: https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=352096 Antoninus Pius Augustus There is one on Forum fakes with the diff legend::https://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/displayimage.php?album=search&cat=0&pos=4 An expert on this forum should be able to quickly locate one with your precise inscription if it is genuine I figure: good luck Julia Domna, denarius Obv:- IVLIA AVGVSTA, Draped bust of Julia right Rev:- ANTONINVS PIVS AVG, Laureate, draped bust of Caracalla right Fig 5 is the false coin For a genuine denarius of the type see BMC V pl. 27, 4 Published in the IAPN BOC Vol 14, No. 1 in 1989 - example 5 Image used with permission of IAPN
FYI- for the future since I don't think you can change the title of the thread now but if you put in RIC Julia Domna in the title it may bring more interest. Many folks here collect these kind of denarii I think.
Modern dies, averse die is a die match to a published Lipanoff forgery. Lipanoff fakes do exist in different die combinations and sometimes impossible die combinations. Bust of Domna is not right . http://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/displayimage.php?pos=-4220 http://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/displayimage.php?pos=-5363
The legend is different from these examples. SvenE's coin's obverse reads IMP CAES M AVR ANTON AVG. The reverse reads IVLIA AVGVSTA. Or do I have the sides reversed?? I haven't often looked through any of the RIC volumes, but looking through Volume IV I don't see this coin listed. It is entirely possible that I just missed it and don't know how to properly use RIC. I also looked under Julia Domna in case I am mistaken about which side is the obverse, but it's not listed there either. So, one of these statements is probably correct: 1. I don't know how to use RIC and the coin is in there, or 2. It isn't in RIC, or 3. It isn't in RIC because it is a mule or a fake or a fantasy. To summarize, I don't know and am not sure why I even wrote this . Welcome to CoinTalk, Sven [Edited to note that while I was spending a ridiculous amount of time searching for an answer, someone with more knowledge clarified the issue .]
The IAPN fake should be spotted by anyone willing to spend the money these dynastic denarii bring. The style is not right. It is not a coin to buy at a flea market but only from a dealer who would recognize the style. I am far from expert enough to pretend to expertise the OP coin but it is either genuine or a better attempt at a fake than the IAPN fake. My gut feeling without looking it up is fake. The links don't work for me. But I see no reason to doubt Lolli.
These dynastic coins of Julia Domna and her sons are NOT the type of coin one would find at a flea market; rather, they sell at the big name auctions for four-figures or more. They are quite rare. For the record, though, here is a list of denarii with Julia Domna on one side and Caracalla on the other: IVLIA DOMNA ЭЄ ANTONIN PIVS AVG (RIC 544; RSC 1; Sear 6532) IVLIA DOMNA ЭЄ ANTONIN PIVS AVG PON TR P IIII (RIC --; RSC 2b; Sear 6533) IVLIA DOMNA ЭЄ ANTONIN PIVS AVG PON TR P V (RIC 542; RSC 2a; Sear --).
These are some knowledgeable folks who have weighed in on this. @SvenE you might consider reporting this coin to Forum Fakes site and get familiar with that site. It's a jungle out there.They saved me once with a Republic denarius fake that I was able to get a full refund for from an ebay seller. I have bought two fakes online in the past. We all have been there.
One of my first posts here was trying to figure this Julia Domna/Geta two-headed very thick but small bronze whatsit. This doesn't rise to the level of counterfeit - more like a fantasy with impossible legends and impossible weight/composition. I knew even less back then than I do now. Live and learn.
That's an impossible weight/composition, to be sure, but there is a denarius with Domna and Geta with the legends: IVLIA PIA FELIX AVG ЭЄ P SEPT GETA CAES PONT (RIC 394; RSC 1b). It's extremely rare and very expensive when one comes up for auction.
That is interesting, Roman Collector. I was unaware of RIC 394. I thought the "PIA FELIX" title was only used under Caracalla (who hated, then murdered his brother Geta). I wonder if mine is a fantasy based on RIC 394? It is way too thick and heavy to be a fourree (or a convincing fourree anyway). Here's my original post, back when I first joined the Forum and knew even less than I do now! https://www.cointalk.com/threads/ju...ded-bronze-identification-help-please.292057/
