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  1. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    My NC group expanded dramatically this year.

    I started with the holed 1797 NC-5 this year and have added a 1796 NC-4, the second 1797 NC-5 in a later die state, an 1800 NC-3 and 2 1803 NC-1s. In addition, I have one I suspect is an 1800 NC-2, but is not strong enough to get an independent confirmation for the attribution.

    I have been collecting for over 50 years, but am rebuilding my collection after selling most of it off about ten years ago when my eyesight started failing and I couldn't see the coins directly any more.

    After getting a digital microscope and connecting it to a large screen TV, I'm once again able to enjoy the hobby.
     
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  3. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    Photos associated with the 1797 attribution attempt.

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    What I think I see, though unlikely.
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    The two known reverses matched with Obverse 14.
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    A close to ribbon.
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    A almost or just touching ribbon.
     
  4. HoledandCreative

    HoledandCreative Well-Known Member

    It is mostly gone. Nice try.

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  5. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    S-138. R1
    Points to look at:

    Obverse 16 Only used on
    S-138.

    1. Date well spaced and low. 1 and 7 wider than many early varieties.
    2. E close and cradled between HWH and SHWH. Fairly common, but excludes a few.
    3. Tip of 1 much closer to hair than curl, but not touching.
    4. bottoms of 7s close and directly over dentils.

    Reverse O, Used on NC-4 and S-138.

    1. Stems close to the leaves. Right stem poiting to middle of C.
    Inner leaf under M under left upright of M. Leaf under D is under curve. (C)A almost touching ribbon. Denominator shifted slightly left.
     
  6. HoledandCreative

    HoledandCreative Well-Known Member

  7. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    This is easy just because of the obverse die crack from the neck to the rim about 4 O'Clock. S-126 R3 variety.

    Obverse 6 is only used on S-126. See comp below:
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    Reverse G is used on S-125, S-126 and S-127.

    The Highest leaf on the right is just right of (E)S, the second is just left of the upright of F, The third is just left of A(M) and the fourth is under the right upright of M.

    The top berry on the right is closer to the third leaf than the second and is just below the leaf tip.

    Wide denominator with the numerator right of the first 0.

    See comp:
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  8. HoledandCreative

    HoledandCreative Well-Known Member

    Yours is a tad better than mine.

    My autographed one.

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  9. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    This was a tough one, but I believe it is the S-185. R2.

    Obverse 33 was used on S-184 and S-185. on Noyes Die State/Stage D, a crack developes from the forehead through the base of Y. My usual obverse comp does not show this crack. (BTW, My comps are mostly from the Holmes Collection with some supplements from elsewhere)

    But I did see it in Noyes. It appears rather distinct on yours, so probably Die Stage/State E. Here is a comp, also from Holmes, of his late state S-185.
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    Reverse FF is only used on the S-185.

    Notable features are the numerator slightly left of center while the fraction bar is shifted right of center. The point of the leaf is just left of the right upright of M. The berry right of E is even with the top serif. And on this example, shows the clash under the triplet below O.

    This is the Holmes Comp.
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  10. HoledandCreative

    HoledandCreative Well-Known Member

    I do see what you are saying. Now, possibly, a less challenging one.

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  11. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    This is one with an almost instant diagnostic. The Obverse is a 1798 with type 2 oberse with the extra curl and the reverse has a falling/drooping berry at the top left inner berry.

    It is the S-187 which is an R1.
     
  12. HoledandCreative

    HoledandCreative Well-Known Member

  13. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

  14. HoledandCreative

    HoledandCreative Well-Known Member

    Not looking good for this one now. Maybe a little extra at 5:45.

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  15. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    An even later die stage of S-187 looks like Stage IV
     
  16. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    Agreed. S-187. Noyes C/D. So far, a nice run of die states for S-187. CUD just forming at 3 O'Clock.
     
  17. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    Need some help with these. Thanks in advance!
    1.
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    2.
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    3.
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  18. HoledandCreative

    HoledandCreative Well-Known Member

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  21. HoledandCreative

    HoledandCreative Well-Known Member

    You are definitely taking the N out of NC by collecting them. A nice bunch. You got my attention with the holed one. Any condition has to be a bit pricey.

    Glad the technology has enabled you to still collect and research.
     
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