1812 Capped bust Half

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Pickin and Grinin, Sep 5, 2018.

  1. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    I have decided upon @jtlee321 lead and one of his last comments that a coin has many a different aspects. His 83'O thread.
    I would really like the comments about this coin.
    Just a coin that I grabbed from the cabinet.
    Three photos of the same coin different diffused 4 way lighting.
    different lighting and settings. I use a Cannon with a 50mm lens.
    IMG_0001.JPG IMG_0002.JPG IMG_0001_1.JPG IMG_0002_1.JPG IMG_0004.JPG IMG_0003.JPG
     
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  3. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    At first, I was thinking environmentally damaged. Seeing the reverse, I question authenticity
     
  4. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    It appears to be O-104, but I cannot shake the bad feeling I get from this coin.
     
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  5. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    I like the first images the best. To me, they show more detail. Nice surfaces. The rims look a bit rough but that may just be the holder. I'll guess EF-40. Nice coin.
    I'll admit, I'm not good enough to spot fakes. The darker images do have me wondering.
     
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  6. okbustchaser

    okbustchaser I may be old but I still appreciate a pretty bust Supporter

    Genuine O-104. Slightly off-center strike. Edge lettering (like many from this period) extends past the edge giving it the look of rim damage.

    I suspect the second set of pics look closest to room lighting in hand.
     
  7. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    I come up with an O-104a. The difference is the die state correct?
    edit: it is missing the die cracks obv.
    The second set is the closest to in hand. The coin is very dark.
     
    Last edited: Sep 5, 2018
  8. okbustchaser

    okbustchaser I may be old but I still appreciate a pretty bust Supporter

    It looks as if you have the start of the reverse crack between A and T on the reverse, but the obverse crack at the date is missing. I'd call it the 104 state, but others might disagree. Both die states are R-1 so there really isn't any reason to care.
     
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  9. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    I hope the first picture is what it looks like in hand
     
  10. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    Looks like an attractive, original EF-40 to me. I would have no problem owning that coin - I think it is very attractive.
     
  11. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    I still see a bunch of raised pimples on the upper half of the obverse (kinda looks like die rust), and that still makes me very uncomfortable.
     
  12. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    Die rust is quite common and perfectly normal. No reason to be alarmed by that.

    However, what you are seeing here is a speckled/mottled toning pattern from the way that this coin was stored. It is quite normal, and I've seen and owned several bust halves with this same appearance.

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  13. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    Not on the O-104. Plus the “speckles” look raised on the OP coin. The most likely answer is ED.
     
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  14. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    You have me wondering now. When I originally bought the coin, I was pretty confident that this was just an old skin. I have a hard time finding anything but what looks to me as being the end result of years of toning.

    After I bought it I took it to local dealer I trust, and he wanted it for his personal collection. I personally don't see anything that says it is ED in any way, Could you clarify?
     
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  15. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    It really depends on what kind of light you have the coin in. The coin has a very thick skin.
     
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  16. SilverDollar2017

    SilverDollar2017 Morgan dollars

    Authentic, EF-40.
     
  17. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    I was playing around with some photos, I thought that these might help with the ED. IMG_0001.JPG The rusted and pitted die look is most present in these areas on the coin. IMG_0014.JPG
    The coin does not have a rotation. IMG_0015.JPG IMG_0013.JPG
     
  18. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

  19. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

  20. okbustchaser

    okbustchaser I may be old but I still appreciate a pretty bust Supporter

    I don't have my notes at work with me, but here's my 104 (about the same die stage) for comparison.

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  21. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    I don’t see any rust on your specimen.
     
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