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  1. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    S-77

    Obverse 3 is familiar with the Upright of the R left of hair bun and the foot of the R over the left side. The top of 5 is partially imbeded in the bust. It is used on S-76, NC-3 and S-77.

    Reverse D has 8 triplets with the right leaf of the triplet under (M)E just touching or almost touching the end and R almost touching E as well. The S-77 is it's only use.
     
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  3. HoledandCreative

    HoledandCreative Well-Known Member

    This one looks similar.

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  4. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    The obverse is indeed Obverse 3, but the reverse is Reverse C. Obverse 7 is close and shares Reverse C, so I always check the date spacing just to be sure. Obverse 3 has wide spacing and Obverse 7 has 7 and 9 closer.

    Reverse C is the only Reverse with a High ONE CENT and where the leaf over NE almost touches the right tip of N.

    The Reverse is used on S-76 and NC-2.

    By the way, the S-76 is the variety when thay changed over from thick lettered edges to thin plain edges so 2 subvarieties exist along with some errors with thick edges and no lettering and thin edges with lettering.

    Any of these errors is a special coin which can be classified differently depending on the preferences of the attributor.

    My suspicion is a thin plain edge with no lettering which is a common S-76b.
     
    Last edited: Sep 3, 2018
  5. HoledandCreative

    HoledandCreative Well-Known Member

    This one too different to pass up.

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  6. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    Another S-76. On this Reverse, I used the left point of the triplet just left of the upright of D to confirm what you can almost see of the leaf over NE almost touching N on a high ONE CENT.
     
  7. HoledandCreative

    HoledandCreative Well-Known Member

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  9. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    I'm still Learning.

    Going over differences in obverse 3 and 7 caused me to look more carefully at the uppermost lock on these Head of 95s. I hadn't realized there were differences in the dies at the top lock, but checking all the 95 obverses has shown me a new diagnostic. I had mistakenly thought the engravers had stopped adjusting the hair after 1794.
     
  10. HoledandCreative

    HoledandCreative Well-Known Member

    Aren't we all. That is a lot of obverses. The previous 4 are all plain edge, only 1 lettered edge.

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  11. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    Obverse 2 with the Upright of R over the Bun and the top of 5 entirely imbedded in the bust. It was used on S-74 and S-75, both lettered edge thick planchets.

    Reverse B. It is most easily distinguished from A by the leaf point under the foot of R.

    On A, a leaf point is under E(R). Other differences exist if this one is not easily seen. A doublet under D makes it distinct from the other ONE CENT high Reverse C which has a triplet under D.
     
  12. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    I debated this one as my funds are running short, but the surfaces are too nice for an R5 variety at an affordable price. It is one of the few noted as G Details for an old cleaning rather than Corrosion or Environmental Damage. While there are a few surface problems, it is above average for those usually available.

    The Obverse is used on S-81 and S-82.

    The Reverse was used on S-82, S-83, S-84 and 1798 S-156.

    S-82 Obverse.jpg S-82 Reverse.jpg

    For what it's worth, it entombed in PCGS with a Gold Shield label.
     
    Last edited: Sep 4, 2018
  13. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    And now my more typical find. This was properly attributed, but somehow did not draw any high bidders. I obtained it for less than half my max bid which I didn't think would be enough. Of course knowing it was properly attributed, even if a basil state coin may have made a difference.

    The triplets on the left side of the wreath ID the reverse and the position of the 1 is good enough to ID it between the known obverses, even if a stand alone obverse ID probably couldn't be made.

    S-99 Obverse.jpg S-99 Reverse.jpg

    It is my third reverse Q to go along with my other S-99 and my NC-4.
     
    Last edited: Sep 4, 2018
  14. HoledandCreative

    HoledandCreative Well-Known Member

    I looked for 1796 S82 R5 and found a couple on eBay just to see. Your 2nd one is way beyond me for identifying. Is it a 1798? Congrats for the addition to your collection.

    Is mine a 74B or 75B, you never mentioned the difference(s) of the obverses?

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  15. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    Is mine a 74B or 75B, you never mentioned the difference(s) of the obverses?

    The 2B is S-75. S-74 is 2A. Both share the same obverse. Yours is the S-75.



    There are 6 96 Cap Obverses.

    It is not 1, which is close, but has the pole closer to the bust.

    It is not 2 because 2 has the pole tip is about even and connected to the bust by a die scratch.

    It is not 3 because 3 has a 6 more distant from the bust.

    4 looks right.

    It is not 5 because the tip of the pole is about even with the tip of the bust.

    It is not 6 because on the 6, the T almost touches the top of the hair.

    Now Obverse 4 is only used on S-88 where it is paired with Reverse E. What can be seen matched Reverse E which is used on the S-87, S-88, S-89 and later on the 1798 S-155. The S-88 is an R4 variety.
     
  16. HoledandCreative

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  17. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    S-91

    Obverse 6 with a wade date and high 6, but not near the bust. The 1 is also close to the lowest curl. Only used on S-91.

    Reverse G with a double leaf under N and the leaves left of C at the top of C. Only Reverse A has a doublet under N and it has leaves no higher than the center of C. Reverse G is only used on the S-91.
     
  18. HoledandCreative

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  19. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    This is the S-113. It is an R5 variety.

    Obverse 21 has the identifiable die break from below the 9 through the middle of 7 and 1 and the lowest curls to the rim about 7:30. It appears to be the terminal die state Noyes 21e with die sinking below the crack and almost looking like a CUD below 79. S-113 is it's only use.

    Reverse W is a favorite of mine and is most distinct with a berry at the tip of a leaf below the space between TA. It is used on S-113, S-114, S-115 and on 1797 NC-5 (Rev. R) which was struck between the S-113 and the S-114.

    I have 2 1797 NC-5s which is why it is a favorite of mine.
     
  20. HoledandCreative

    HoledandCreative Well-Known Member

    You have several NCs, congrats. How long collecting? I am very pleased that you have identified a couple of R5s and R4s here and there for me. I have no idea of their value as they are not in wonderful condition but I have found over the years that there are collectors for everything.

    This one might be "not quite enough".

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  21. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    I can identify the obverse as 14 from the positions of the date and the HWH (Highest Wave of Hair) and SHWH (Second Highest Wave of Hair) under R and E rather than between them.

    Obverse 2 is close, but the reverse is just good enough to eliminate the Reverse of 96s. I also hate the Reverse of 96 terminology since it is actually a Reverse of 95. But tradition dictates 96.

    Obverse 14 was used on S-136 R3- and S-137 R2.

    While the reverse can be identified as a reverse of 97 from the shape of the loops, the Reverse is too far gone because it doesn't look like either reverse which is paired up with Obverse 14.

    In fact, with a distant A (or what I think might be the A) well away from the ribbon on the right side, the right stem pointing to the right leg of A (toward the fraction) and what appears to be the left leg of the N pointing to the gap between the loops, it looks more like Reverse C which was used on the NC-2.

    This makes me question what I think I'm seeing, so for me, unattributable.
     
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