Nicopolis ad Istrum - Crescent w. Stars - Caracalla? Elagabalus? Weird Beard?

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  1. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    I am still feeling my way with Roman Provincials - a fun process, but very confusing sometimes. Recently I got this AE Nicopolis ad Istrum with crescent and five stars. It was sold as a Caracalla - which may be right. But it could be Elagabalus too? The titles are the same and this portrait looks more like Elagabalus to me (puffier lips, hooded eyes). But Provincial portraits are variable, as several posts here indicate.

    Also odd: it looks as if the portrait has a long, braided Pharaoh-beard! This is probably just a die defect, but Elagabalus put horns (or a bull pizzle) on his head on some of his coins - any chance he affected a weird beard in the provinces?

    Other similar (or exact) examples welcome! Many thanks for your assistance.

    Nikopolis - Caracalla or Egalb Cresent Aug 2018 (1).JPG

    Caracalla (?) Æ 17
    (198-217 A.D. ?)
    Roman Prov. - Moesia Inferior-Nicopolis ad Istrum

    AYKEMAY ANTΩNIN Laureate draped, cuirassed (?) bust right, NIKOΠOΛITΩN ΠΡOC I Legend surrounding crescent and five stars.
    (3.04 grams / 17m)
     
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  3. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Caracalla? AMNG I (Pick) has several examples of a coin with a crescent and THREE stars (not quite the same), numbered 1611-1615

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  4. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    one of my favorite actors on one of my favorite shows and episode, Donald Pleasence in TZOS "Changing of the Guard".. tz changing of the guard actor.jpg
     
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  5. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    Thank you for the AMNG reference, Roman Collector - my lack of library resources has been a problem for me (the online stuff is scanty and/or vague for these). I notice in the excerpt you forwarded, that there has been some Caracalla/Elagabalus debate among the experts too (if I am interpreting the German correctly).

    And as you note, the five stars on mine has been causing a problem - I found one like this for Geta, then some others where the stars are in the shape of crosses ("Star of Bethlehem" article).
     
  6. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Yes, there's disagreement among experts whether the ones in AMNG are of Caracalla or Elagabalus.
     
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  7. Ken Dorney

    Ken Dorney Yea, I'm Cool That Way...

    It may well be unpublished to date. I did a quick check of the most up to date references and could only find varieties with 1, 3, 4, and 8 stars.
     
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  8. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    Thank you Ken, I appreciate your help with this.
     
  9. Pellinore

    Pellinore Well-Known Member

    Coins from Nicopolis ad Istrum are often very nice. I have this coin, really looks like Elagabal, I don't have any doubt in fact.

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    Elagabalus 218-222, Nicopolis ad Istrum, Moesia Inferior. Obv.: Laureated head r. AVT M AVR ANTWNEINOC.Rev.: Crescent with 3 stars. NIKOPOLITWN PROC ICTPON. 16 mm, 3.23 gr.
     
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  10. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    That is a beauty, Pellinore. And I agree that portrait looks like Elagabalus - hooded eyes, puffy lips.
     
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  11. Pellinore

    Pellinore Well-Known Member

    Here's a Caracalla from Nicopolis ad Istrum, a small coin with a star, but no moon. The portrait is totally different.

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    Caracalla 211-217, Nicopolis, Moesia Inferior. Obv.: Laureated bust r. ANTWNIN. Rev.: Star with 8 rays. NIKOPOLITWN PROC ICTP. 18 mm, 3.42 gr.
     
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  12. benhur767

    benhur767 Sapere aude

    Judging from the portrait I'd ID it as Elagabalus. Elagabalus coins are listed all the time as Caracalla, even when a type is known to have been struck only under Elagabalus. These two emperors befuddle dealers. Curiously, I've never seen one the other way around, where a coin was listed as Elagabalus but was really Caracalla.
     
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  13. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Nice coin! I like that pharaoh's beard, but as you say, it's probably a die defect. The one in the link below looks very close to yours, with the description noting that it's a rare five-star variety. I don't have the H&J reference they give a number for.
    https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2199286

    My four-star example with the cross-shaped stars.
    Caracalla - Nicopolis Crescent Stars Crosses 861.jpg
    CARACALLA
    AE17. 3.77g, 16.6mm. MOESIA INFERIOR, Nicopolis ad Istrum, circa AD 195-198 (as Caesar). Varbanov 2976 var. (obv and rev legends). O: AV KEC ANTΩN, laureate, draped, cuirassed bust right, seen from behind. R: NIKOΠOΛI ΠPOC ICTP, three cross-shaped stars within crescent, a fourth below.
     
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    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

     
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