Old US Gold Authentic?

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  1. ilmcoins

    ilmcoins Well-Known Member

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  3. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    "Payment only by transfer, I no longer take PayPal". In other words, no buyer protection.

    "Sell or exchange 6 us gold coins, against gold 18k or 24k to melt", where each coin (if genuine) would bring close to five figures, from overseas, with no buyer protection? What could possibly go wrong? :rolleyes:
     
  4. ilmcoins

    ilmcoins Well-Known Member

    Here are some photos. More detailed photos from original listing links above.

    Not asking "what could go wrong" simply asking for educational purposes if you see any issues that I dont.

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  5. ddoomm1

    ddoomm1 keep on running

    I see a glaring issue: the lack of NGC/PCGS/ANACS holders.
     
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  6. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    If you're only asking about issues with the coins pictured, I don't know enough to comment on those types, and probably never will -- out of my range. Nothing trips my generic "cheap fake coins" alerts.

    But you asked about "any red flags" besides being an overseas seller, and I say "bank transfer only" is not just a red flag, but a six-foot-thick brick wall.

    Even if the coins pictured are genuine, there is absolutely zero safety in place for you with this listing.

    If you're looking for a bank address to which you can wire money with no expectation of receiving anything back, I'll see what I can do. :)
     
  7. thebeav

    thebeav Lifer

    Those coins are blatantly counterfeit, and very poor reproductions at that.
    They may as well have had cartoon characters on them instead of who was supposed to be Miss Liberty.
    There could be no way that ebay didn't pull them.
     
  8. Gilbert

    Gilbert Part time collector Supporter

    I have reported blatantly counterfeit coins to eBay and absolutely nothing happened.
     
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  9. Gallienus

    Gallienus coinsandhistory.com

    Well the 1800 $10 gold alone is worth around $12,000 if genuine. However it does not appear to be so. I'd be surprised you even receive counterfeit coins made out of real gold with an overseas seller + no buyer protection.

    Also no one in their right mind would offer together a set of early gold coins like that: an 1800 $10 plus 3 early $5 types. These would all be sold separately since they're very expensive coins: if genuine. Not even Stacks or Heritage would sell such a set together.
     
  10. TheFinn

    TheFinn Well-Known Member

    Seller does not accept returns. "All my objects are as good as possible."

    Run, do not walk.
     
  11. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    The portraits are wrong. Those are copies.
     
  12. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector

    I agree
    PLUS
    Did you take a look at the seller's feedback?
     
  13. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

  14. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

  15. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    You guys have no idea what you are talking about.
     
  16. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    Seriously?..... And I don't mean that is a derogatory way... I am first to admit as a hobbyist and not an educated collector that I could be wrong.... The portraits on the quarter eagles look correct to me however the classical portraits on the top two rows appear quite incorrect to me. Am I seriously wrong?
     
  17. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

  18. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    Look at that last link. All of the coins were certified. So yes, you were seriously wrong.
     
  19. Gilbert

    Gilbert Part time collector Supporter

    I don' think anyone here would argue with your knowledge, but do you have to be so nasty when educating members?
     
  20. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    My first thought when I opened the Ebay listing was that those coins all looked good. Either the Chinese had seriously upped there game, or something else fishy was going on.

    I'm glad @TypeCoin971793 tracked down the other pics, to show where they had been stolen from. While I don't collect this type of material, the coins do all look genuine - as indeed they are.
     
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  21. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    It’s one thing to say you think they are fake. It is a completely different thing to say matter-of-factly that they are obvious and definite fakes when you are unfamiliar with the material.
     
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