1943 P Jefferson odd color??

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by Ace H, Aug 20, 2018.

  1. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    Intentionally misleading people is misleading, sir; there's no other way around it. I'm not assuming he knows better; I know he does and is because he once was a participating member here. This isn't personal, but I do have a problem with having to try to correct the regular inflow of folks coming here after watching his crap, and if you bothered to dig up the suggested past threads you'd see that more often than not I've been attacked for daring to do so. Trust me, it's not something I enjoy but those new to this hobby deserve the truth.

    If you consider the examples given above, ask yourself how you think someone following his advice will feel after submitting their great finds and dreaming of the easy money to come. When they get the results and realize they just dropped maybe a $100 or even a couple hundred on worthless plastic, do you think they'll be happy and want to continue with the hobby? Of course not, but what they will do is blame anyone and everyone but the clown who misled them. I know this because I've witnessed it more times than I care to remember, both here and in real life. There are past threads on this very forum in which someone posts a warning about not dealing with whatever TPG because they got "screwed", never stopping to consider who is really to blame, including themselves. It happens and happens regularly.

    May I ask if you've ever had the opportunity to regularly and personally deal with newbies? I can only assume you haven't and may not realize how much damage has been done to this hobby by misinformation. I've personally witnessed many, many dozens of people once very enthusiastic about coins walk away in disgust after learning they've been taken in one way or another. I've also had the pleasure of being the target of their wrath simply because I was the one actually trying to help. It wasn't fun and after a quarter century of dealing with this crap I honestly didn't think it could get worse. Then YouTube came along and I thanked my lucky stars that I stopped when I did.

    Anyway, even if you haven't any direct experience with newbies I respectfully suggest you start following such threads posted here. Considering we seem to get at least a few per week it shouldn't take long for you to start seeing the damage YouTube clowns are doing to this hobby. BRSC isn't the only offender, not by far, but he is the one most commonly mentioned. If you do this and actually care about the future of this hobby, something tells me you'll soon understand why many of us so dislike what this type of person does, but even more frustrating will be the reason why they do it.

    I see OldHoopster already addressed the modern issue, but I would like to add that this is by far the most misleading issue I've yet found in his videos and for good reason: it above all else directly appeals to those wanting something for nothing. In order to find such coins they don't have to search out old collections or any of the classic means of obtaining valuable coins, but can simply pull them from their pockets. Do notice how he never presses the actual reasons such moderns bring lofty prices, but instead directly and repeatedly suggests anyone without any grading experience/knowledge can simply judge such coins and reap significant rewards. For whatever reason coins is the one area in which folks think they can waltz in without any knowledge and profit off of those who have it. It's not only foolish but incredibly stupid, yet happens all the time.

    You're more than welcome to believe as you wish, but this does not change the fact, the reality that this man is a clown. Again, if you like the man and/or enjoy his videos I certainly respect it, but "clown" is both a proper descriptor as well as one apparently acceptable to the forum administration. There are more colorful terms that would be even more fitting imo.
     
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  3. Prez2

    Prez2 Well-Known Member

    Yes, I understand your opinion. Sorry, I didn't realize the apparent history here. No offense.
     
  4. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    And none was or ever would be taken, sir. You asked in a perfectly respectful manner and I've simply tried to address everything in an equally reasonable manner. I find it endlessly frustrating when a claim is made yet the person utterly fails to make their case (think politics) and felt you deserved a detailed explanation. All is well... we can certainly agree to disagree. :)
     
  5. Prez2

    Prez2 Well-Known Member

    Works for me and I appreciate your opinion (honestly). I'll watch in the future more closely.
     
  6. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    As I yours, and thank you.
     
  7. Ace H

    Ace H New Member

    I believe it worth the expense to get it checked and graded. I have another interesting coin to get graded and verified also.
     

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  8. Ace H

    Ace H New Member

    My latest find, yes this will be sent out for verification and grading
     

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  9. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    I think you would be wise to first start a new thread and post workable photos so that the copper guys can have at it.
     
  10. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Copper guy has had at it, 1798 S-167 R-1 very common variety and in that condition maybe a $30 coin if the date is visible (can't see it in those pictures) Grade Fr-2 to AG-3 Cost to have it slabbed $25 to $50. Unless he got it for free it will cost about as much to slab as it's worth. So forget slabbing it and put the money into your own pocket instead of the TPG's.
     
  11. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    A common 1943 P war nickel worth a couple dollars that would cost $25 TO $50 to get slabbed. Doesn't sound like it is worth the expense to me. Even if it was the 43/2 overdate the cost of slabbing would consume most of the value of the coin.
     
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