Judaea Capta Redux

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  1. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    My latest addition is an interesting example of the common Judaea Capta denarius. When acquiring duplicates I always look for something about a piece that is different from what I already have. I think this fits the bill.

    V2aa_(2).jpg Vespasian
    AR Denarius, 2.80g
    Rome Mint, 69-70 AD
    RIC 2 (C2). BMC 35. RSC 226.
    Obv: IMP CAESAR VESPASIANVS AVG; Head of Vespasian, laureate, r.
    Rev: IVDAEA in ex.; Jewess (as type of Judaea), draped and veiled, seated r. on ground in attitude of mourning, legs extended, head resting on l. hand, which is propped on knees, r. arm on lap; behind, trophy, consisting of helmet, cuirass, oblong and round shield, greaves, and two round shields
    Acquired from eBay, August 2018.

    My second example of the common Judaea Capta denarius. Here Judaea's legs are extended instead of the more commonly seen knees drawn up. Mattingly notes the distinction in the BMCRE II catalogue, it is largely uncommented upon elsewhere. Most likely these denarii commemorating the defeat of the Jews in the Judaean War were struck after news had reached Rome of Titus' capture of Jerusalem in late August 70. The portraits still do not resemble Vespasian, who arrived in Rome in October 70. Vespasian had to have been very proud of his Judaean victory because this Capta denarius type was one of the first struck in Rome in such vast quantities. The Flavian propaganda resulting from this war proved to be very valuable in legitimising the dynasty's reign. Although a very common type, these command premium prices in trade because of the Judaean War connection.

    Here is my other specimen featuring a heftier Vespasian with longer hair and a Judaea with knees drawn up.

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    Vespasian
    AR Denarius, 3.35g
    Rome Mint, 69-70 AD
    RIC 2 (C2). BMC 35. RSC 226.
    Obv: IMP CAESAR VESPASIANVS AVG; Head of Vespasian, laureate, r.
    Rev: IVDAEA in ex.; Jewess (as type of Judaea), draped and veiled, seated r. on ground in attitude of mourning, knees drawn up, head resting on l. hand, which is propped on knees, r. arm on lap; behind, trophy, consisting of helmet, cuirass, oblong and round shield, greaves, and two round shields
    Acquired from Glenn W. Woods, October 2003.

    Post your 'Capta' types, or anything you feel is relevant.
     
    Last edited: Aug 28, 2018
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  3. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Nice writeup @David Atherton

    I happen to have one of the "legs extended" type. In fact, you pointed this out to me.

    vepsasian ivdea.jpg
     
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  4. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    Sweet addition!
     
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  5. Ancient Aussie

    Ancient Aussie Well-Known Member

    Very nice pick up David and some interesting observations.
     
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  6. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    Interesting the things one learns from you, David:).
    Extended vs. drawn-up legs. I never would have thought of it.

    I went check mine, of course. She is the common, drawn-up type.

    Is this observed also on the much less common Judaea Capta denarius of the "palm tree" type?

    Vespasian Judaea Capta Denar OBV1 N - 1.jpg Vespasian Judaea Capta Denar REV1 N - 1.jpg


    Vespasian Judaea Capta Denar OBV1 N - 1.jpg Vespasian Judaea Capta Denar REV1 N - 1.jpg
     
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  7. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Very nice David. I need to find one of these for my collection.
     
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  8. Deacon Ray

    Deacon Ray Well-Known Member

    David, your attention to detail inspires me to pay more attention to the coins I already have. I have a bad habit of constantly thinking about my next coin rather than appreciating the ones in hand. I guess I have a bit of a conqueror mentality.

    VESPASIAN.jpg
     
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  9. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    It looks like the die-engraver got carried away with adding the cross-bars to the E and A's in the exergue and added one to the V, too, making it look like an upside-down A.
     
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  10. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    Maybe it is an upside down "A" ?
     
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  11. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    I was researching the reverse design when you had timely posted your example. Interesting to note the rarer variant with palm tree instead of trophy normally shows Judaea with legs extended. I believe the palm variant came before the trophy.
     
  12. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    I like your reverse. Judaea instead of 'mourning' seems to be invoking help from the heavens.
     
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  13. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    The chase definitely has great appeal, but taking stock of what you have is quite enjoyable! That's when you can dig into the weeds and find something you may have missed.
     
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  14. IdesOfMarch01

    IdesOfMarch01 Well-Known Member

    Interesting post. I hadn't realized there were two types of the Judaea Capta denarius with slightly different reverses. I have the same type as your new one:

    Ac - Vespasian AR denarius.jpg

    VESPASIAN 69 - 71 A.D.
    AR Denarius (3.22 g.), Rome 69 - 70 A.D. RIC 2
    IMP CAESAR VESPASIANVS AVG Laureate head of Vespasian REV. IVDAEA IN EXERGUE, mourning Jewess seated under trophy

    Not sure you can discern whether or not the captive's legs are bent or straight on the sestertius:

    Ab - Vespasian AE sestertius.jpg

    VESPASIAN
    AE Sestertius (26.01 g.) Rome 71 A.D. RIC 167
    IMP CAES VESPASIAN AVG P M TR P P P COS III Laureate head of Vesp. r. Rev IVDA - EA CAPTA S C Jewess seated r., Vesp. standing r. holding spear & parazonium.
     
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  15. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    Here is the palm tree variant.

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    Vespasian
    AR Denarius, 2.71g
    Rome Mint, 69-70 AD
    RIC 4 (R). BMC 43. RSC 229.
    Obv: IMP CAESAR VESPASIANVS AVG; Head of Vespasian, laureate, r.
    Rev: IVDAEA in ex.; Jewess (as type of Judaea), draped and veiled, seated r. on ground, head inclined downwards, l. knee drawn up, hand bound behind back and fastened to palm-tree
    Acquired from Zuzim Judaea, May 2012.
     
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  16. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Well-Known Member

    David Atherton, the extended legs variety is a new type to me also, thanks for sharing. Attached below are photos of my more common type with a good a pretty good portrait of Vespasian.
    IMG_7316.JPG IMG_7319.JPG
     
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  17. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    I like the slim portrait on it, nice find!
     
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  18. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Well-Known Member

    IdesOfMarch01, Wow! That sestertius is a jewel.
     
  19. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    Thanks Mat. The portrait style is also what attracted me to the piece. Most of these tend to have the longer hair style.
     
  20. Gavin Richardson

    Gavin Richardson Well-Known Member

    vespasian judaea 1.jpg

    Hmmm. I guess I have the legs extended version too.
     
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  21. Jay GT4

    Jay GT4 Well-Known Member

    Nice pick up David!

    I've shown my Vespasian several times. Don't think I've ever shown my Titus Capta. Worn but it's all there...

    Titus_Judea.jpg

    T CAES IMP VESP PON TR POT
    Laureate head of Titus right

    Titus sanding right, left foot on helmet, holding spear and parazonium, Palm tree before him at foot of which Judaea, as a mourning captive, is seated right, on ground

    Rome 72 AD
    3.32g

    RIC II 369 (R2)

    Ex-Canadian Coin
     
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