New "Trime"

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  1. Burton Strauss III

    Burton Strauss III Brother can you spare a trime? Supporter

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  3. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    That's a handcrafted contemporary counterfeit.
     
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  4. CoinBlazer

    CoinBlazer Numismatic Enthusiast

    .61 g?
    thats a lightweight for sure
     
  5. APX78

    APX78 Well-Known Member

    Sad. Could trick many into believing it is real.
     
  6. okbustchaser

    okbustchaser I may be old but I still appreciate a pretty bust Supporter

    And probably worth close to the same as a real one in that condition. Contemporary counterfeits are widely collected. A solid VF 1861 contemporary half would actually be worth more than a real one.
     
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  7. atcarroll

    atcarroll Well-Known Member

    it probably did, and passed for 3 cents once upon a time.
     
  8. Burton Strauss III

    Burton Strauss III Brother can you spare a trime? Supporter

    Sure, that was the whole point of the counterfeits... at least post war, as coins returned to the marketplace, to pass a quick observation by looking vaguely familar.

    Happens today... without looking, describe a dime...
     
  9. Evan8

    Evan8 A Little Off Center

    Very cool I have one too

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  10. Burton Strauss III

    Burton Strauss III Brother can you spare a trime? Supporter

    @Evan8 Neat...

    Also, that's a different die... notice on the reverse how much more developed the arrows and leaves are on yours. On mine they're just a sketch. On the obverse, different lines don't properly connect.
     
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  11. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    What's the weight on the 1860 in post #8?
    And, by contemporary, these were made to be passed as 3 cent coins
    and not a better modern fake would be sold to a collector at a high price.
    Like the Henning, could you really make back your time and expenses
    and make any kind of a profit with a 3 cent coin? Even if they only cost 1 cent apiece in mass production, how many can you possibly produce and not attract attention? 1 or 2 sure, who notices? But thousands of them, will draw attention.
     
  12. Evan8

    Evan8 A Little Off Center

    I will check the weight when i get home. I cant remember off the top of my head.

    And in 1860 3 cents was quite a bit of money if you think about how there was such a lack of small change during the Civil War. I have a contemporary counterfeit 1870 shield nickel too. In 1870 5 cents was about the monthly salary of your typical farmer. Plus being a smaller coin that was more difficult to see the details of closely, I could see the smaller coins like trimes and nickels much more easy to pass than say a fake bust half dollar but yet there were thousands of those produced.
     
  13. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

  14. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    Interesting link, Michael. To save readers the trouble - looks like immigrants in 1869 in New York (who were typically paid less than non-immigrants) who were male and took employment as farmhands made about $9 per month (with board) in December to about $20 per month in July. Female servants made a pretty steady $9-$10 a month throughout the year.

    Skilled labor or manufacturing jobs made much more - up to $10 or $15 a week, depending on the job.
     
  15. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    To give you a much better idea of the value of a trime, 3 cents was the price of a postage stamp.
     
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  16. Burton Strauss III

    Burton Strauss III Brother can you spare a trime? Supporter

    The $0.03 rate came about as a reduction in the postage rate. The networks of roads and railroads had substantially reduced the cost and the postage rate fell to reflect that.
     
  17. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    Do they know how many counterfeit trimes were "circulated", or in collections today? Survival rate. Being such a tiny coin, I guess it was easy to pass.
    You could always claim you had no idea, and just got it in change the other day and didn't even look at it. If someone actually called you out about it.
     
  18. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    One more.
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  19. Burton Strauss III

    Burton Strauss III Brother can you spare a trime? Supporter

    Nice @ldhair, love the ragged digits in the year
     
  20. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    Nice doubling on the lettering.
    That's very bright green (verdigris?)
     
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