Cameo or Deep Cameo ?

Does anyone know if this is a Cameo or Deep Cameo ? The Eagle on back looks like it has an ULTRA CAMEO finish ... but the front looks to be like a deep cam or Regular Cameo if that's possible ... But any what do you guys think ?

 

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And if I understand the designation correctly BOTH sides have to be cameo to earn the label.

 

Well the reason I was asking is because i believe that the only reason that the background fields look a little dull is because when it was struck it was probably struck using an unclean or poor die ... But both sides do have and show a CAMEO affect when I stick a pin through the images but it's just that that one side has a CAMEO that looks stronger then the other side and so I don't know if that POSSIBILITY of it not counting as a CAMEO is or isn't a actual technicality but regardless can you provide me anything on what you saying kanga ... Or any information that explains in detail what passes as a CAMEO .... I like studying . And thanks for the input

 

Sorry, doesn't look neither cameo or deep cameo. At best it's cameo, but rather "weak" for the CAM designation. Most likely it's neither cameo or deep cameo.

 

Same here.

 

Agree with others...first of all, the fields need to be deep mirror prooflike. The highlights then need to be frosted on both sides. Then the degree of cameo can be determined. Deep cameo SMS coins are extremely rare in any case.

 

Looks like a regular 1967 SMS. Doesn't look like cameo or DCAM to me.

 

Well It's amazing to me that the close-up photos of the EAGLE on obverse do not seem to appear to be cameo to some of the experts here ... Infact the DULL SHINY LUSTER of the background fields may be a tiny bit hard to see from the poor die but the close up photos of the EAGLES BODY and SHIELD are actually alot deeper then any of the other cameos that ive taken the time to thoroughly study this far and so my only question is whether anyone has documented information on how Grading Cameos are actually done unless there are actual Qualified Cameo Experts in the group because im really just trying to get a accurate assessment on whether the DULL SHINNY shades of the background fields or the cameo on the obverse would affect the Grade as a whole with the DEEP CAMEO on the REVERSE ?

 

Neither

 

The best book to my knowledge is "Cameo and brilliant proof coinage" by Rick Tomaska. Written in the early 90s, the book covers all of your questions in great depth, with a date by date analysis of modern proof coins with fine photos of all the dates. Covers in depth the evolution of an acid etched proof die from initial strikes of a few D CAM coins to the more common brilliant proof strikes of thousands. His book "Franklin and Kennedy Half Dollars" also covers proof strikes and SMS strikes.

 

Do you actually want honest and (in some cases) experienced opinions or simply to be told what you want to hear? I'm not trying to be rude here and is an honest question based solely upon your responses.

 

Well I was asking for any documented information on how Cameo coins are really graded Cheech9712 and it's no surprise of course that everything I post will probably be a negative for you but regardless thank you for your insight . Im sure that the DEEP FROSTED EAGLE is probably just dirt or MD . LOL

 

Again i was just seeking accurate information on how CAMEO COINS are actually Graded if that's ok with you BooksB4coins ... Because I'm sure that if anyone reads what I was saying then they too will see that it wasn't an attempt to attack anyone I was only stating my personal opinion ...

edited to fix quote tags

 

You remember the old saying about what happens when we assume, right?

 

As others have stated, it is very hard to answer your question based on the photos you have provided. However, based on those photos, the reverse looks CAMEO and the obverse doesn't.

My question is about your use of terminology. You say that the reverse is "ULTRA CAMEO" but the obverse looks "deep cameo or regular". Ultra Cameo (NGC) and Deep Cameo (DCAM-PCGS) are the same thing. Are you under the impression that Ultra Cameo is somehow better than Deep Cameo?

 

No and thanks for asking ... I use the term ULTRA CAMEO because of how deeply the frost on the Eagle is on the reverse .