Counterfeit nickel!

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Ardatirion, Jan 5, 2008.

  1. Ardatirion

    Ardatirion Où est mon poisson

    The fruit of my Christmas roll search was a counterfeit 1969 nickel! The fuzzy, cast-like reverse was what first keyed me in to it. And then I noticed it lacks a mintmark. Of course, I could be wrong and it could just be an insanely late die-state. Unfortunately, I can't get any scans at the moment. :headbang:
     
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  3. Daggarjon

    Daggarjon Supporter**

    i do not know much about the nickel series.. . but why would someone fake a 1969 nickle? just because they can? lol
     
  4. Speedy

    Speedy Researching Coins Supporter

    I have a pic here somewhere of a fake 1964 Nickel. Sounds like yours look like the one I've seen. I'll try to post some pic's.

    Speedy
     
  5. Troodon

    Troodon Coin Collector

    Due to economy of scale, it probably wouldn't be profitable to fake a 1969 nickel unless you had the ability to make a HUGE amount of them. Unless someone did it for a motive other than profit, maybe someone tried it just to see if they could?

    Then again, there's the possibility it's genuine but just damaged, or a late die state, or something of that nature. Would love to see a pic if you can manage it.

    Any nickel 1968 or later should have a mintmark on it so that does seem a little suspicious. (Starting in 1968 all Philadelphia-minted nickels used a "P" mintmark on the obverse.) Maybe it's an error, or a fake, or someobdy filed the mintmark off, or it's damaged, or something... there's many possible explanations lol... if you posted a pic I'm sure trained eyes could narrow it down.

    The irony is a notable fake of a 1969 nickel may be owrth more than a genuine one to some people lol...
     
  6. rotobeast

    rotobeast Old Newbie

    It could have been used as a donor in an electroplating experiment.
    :)
     
  7. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    For the most obvious reason - to spend them. Don't forget that in that time frame it cost less than 2 cents to make a nickel. 300% instant profit is a pretty good motive don't ya think ?
     
  8. Ardatirion

    Ardatirion Où est mon poisson

    Yes, but how many nickels would you have to make to overcome the cost of the equipment? Of course, if its cast, it may not be so expensive....
     
  9. laskandino

    laskandino Member

    It is true that there were no nickels in 1968 without mintmarks, but Philadelphia didn't start putting P's on them until 1980. Philadelphia-minted nickels throughout the '70s have no mintmark.
     
  10. Troodon

    Troodon Coin Collector

    Stand partially corrected... Philadelphia didn't start putting its "P" mintmark on nickels until 1980. However Philadelphia didn't mint any nickels in 1969. Which makes the 1969 nickel with no mintmark somewhat of an oddity... would have to either be an error or counterfeit, unless somehow the "D" or "S" mintmark it would have to have to be genuinely minted that year was somehow removed post-mint.
     
  11. Ardatirion

    Ardatirion Où est mon poisson

    Not the best of scans, but it should do.
     

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  12. NathansCoin

    NathansCoin New Member

    I dont think its a fake.
     
  13. Speedy

    Speedy Researching Coins Supporter

    Nope-- They minted 1970-S Nickels for circulation. In fact they minted 241,464,814 of them!

    Speedy
     
  14. Troodon

    Troodon Coin Collector

    ? That's a 1969.

    In that condition, could it be possible the mintmark just wore off? Looks real to me... at least don't see anything obviously fake about it.

    Don't think it's cast, just heavily worn, dirty, and maybe a little corroded. Not been treated well the last 39 years lol...
     
  15. CentDime

    CentDime Coin Hoarder

    On the Reverse does it say across the top "Made in China"?

    {sorry, couldn't resist}
     
  16. AUBU2

    AUBU2 Senior Member

    Do you have a scale to compare it's weight? It looks like some of my change that collects in my cars drink holders, coins turn that color quickly after being coffee stained!
     
  17. Speedy

    Speedy Researching Coins Supporter

    I was replying to a post that NathansCoin has now edited.

    Speedy
     
  18. gatzdon

    gatzdon Numismatist


    That's why I usually use the quote button.
     
  19. Coinlover

    Coinlover The Coin Collector

    looks like a metal detector find. not sure about the missing mintmark though, maybe a grease filled die? :eek:dd:
     
  20. Ardatirion

    Ardatirion Où est mon poisson

    I dunno, its not the color that bothers me. Anyone feel up to examining it in hand?
     
  21. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    I think it is real just corroded. And it could very well be missing the mintmark, I have seen other 68, 69, and 70 nickels that didn't have mintmarks. They resulted from filled dies similar to the 1989 P no mintmark quarter. It is suprising that the hobby goes crazy over the 1922 no D cent, and has some respect for the 89 no P quarter, but has paid no attention whatsoever to the no mintmark 68, 69, and 70 nickels.
     
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