1981D Doubled die Lincoln cent

Well at first I almost dismissed this coin like all those other famous MD or DDD coins that are almost always posted in the cointalk . but after some very careful and thourough examination of ALL the devices on the entire coin Its my belief that this may officially be my very first 1981 D doubled die Lincoln cent and a new dicovery coin ... Oh and before any of the real experts in this field fail to notice any doubling on the coin ... I took the liberty to share some helpful photos and helpful information that explains that there actually are infact some coins out there that possess both Machine doubling and Doubled die on same coin . And yes I know that this is really hard to believe but as the old saying goes reading is very fundamental .

 

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Sorry, all I see were Die Deterioration Doubling. Struck from a worn die.

 

I agree Die Deterioration issue.

 

And if that letter P wasn't so pronounced I probably would have Tried to dimiss it with the infamous DDD or MD as well . LOL

 

I totally understand what you're seeing. I was once there. But, first you need to know and undersrand the processes of how the coins are being strike. The die aging (EDS,MDS,LDS,and VLDS) and etc.
Your coins was struck from a worn die. These are caused by constant wear and cleaning from clashed dies. Over cleaning and wear. What happens is that the fields meet the letters have lost that difference in sharpness that the die had when it was in Early Die State. In the Very Late Die State the field and the letters look like show drifts that make the filed and devices that flow. This is caused by the dies continue to wear, coin after coin, taking more and more off the die, so the crispness it had from the beginning is gone.
I'm by no mean a varieties expert, far from it (I'm an Error Guy), but I'd read, listen and absorb all the info from any knowledgable members, and there are still so much to learn. Be patients and learn from others are the key to success.

 

So what you are saying is that the knowledge, expertise and experience of us, the ones who have been doing this for many years is just as important as reading which of course is fundamental

 

Think thats what he said.

 

See how thin the tops of the letters are on your coin? Compare that to the doubled dies on Variety Vista and Wexler's Doubled Die sites.

I would strongly recommend reading the sections on Wexler's site to help understand how dies are made, and the differences between Mechanical doubling, DDD, and a true doubled die. Then read it again.

 

Yes, that's what I meant. It was late so my brain wasn't responding right. Thanks for rephrased to better understanding .

 

I didn't get my daily invite email today. Can't read any new threads. Hope i just erased it by accident. I hope I'm still in good standing with coin talk

 

And so basically to sum it all up ... What you are saying is that this is simply the effect of a worn die and there is no such thing as doubled die coins that have worn dies ?

 

No. Look at wexler and vistavariety. They have Early stage ES. Middle stage. MS. Late stage. LS. but that was a very good question. It made me thunk

 

Think about it. Have you ever saw a doubled die coin doubled on 4 sides of a O. >O< (east and west) inner and outer

 

Think about it. Have you ever saw a doubled die coin doubled on 4 sides of a O. >O< (east and west) inner and outer. @MrCoins101

 

I feel your discouragement. It's just one freaky looking coin. But i think your heading on the right track. @MrCoins101

 

Your coin are from a normal die, as the die got older it created those effect that you're seeing. And for the true Doubled Die there also were ES,MS..., and the die still worn out coin after coin being struck. Try to visit http://www.varietyvista.com/, and http://doubleddie.com/1801.html to learn more about it.

 

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Yes that is a very excellent Point ... So can you please point out the doubling that you see on 4 sides ... Because the only thing I'm seeing is the worn dies unless my eyes are getting very old

 

Ok . And how do you explain a coin that has Both MACHINE DOUBLING and DOUBLED DIE on the the same coin like the coins in my photos . It has both MD and DD