Cast fake (?) appears to be solid silver... Really??

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Eriksund, Aug 4, 2018.

  1. Eriksund

    Eriksund Member

    So.. Upon a consensus that deemed my new tetradrachm a cast fake, I decided not to return it, as a lesson to myself, and also to have a known fake to compare my genuine ones to. Ok... Here we go... In my infinite wisdom (?)..I decided to take some cutters and see what the inside looked like. Well it appears to be solid silver... Question.. did they cast fakes in solid silver... Or am I missing something? IMG_20180804_194831.jpg IMG_20180804_194941.jpg IMG_20180804_194831.jpg IMG_20180804_194941.jpg
     

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  3. Burton Strauss III

    Burton Strauss III Brother can you spare a trime? Supporter

    Why not use a buck or two worth of silver to make a $300 fake and eliminate one easy test...
     
  4. Eriksund

    Eriksund Member

    Touche.... It just seems like a lot of work to go through....
     
  5. Jay GT4

    Jay GT4 Well-Known Member

    Who said it was cast?
     
  6. Burton Strauss III

    Burton Strauss III Brother can you spare a trime? Supporter

    Might be easier to melt and cast the right alloy instead of a base metal core...
     
  7. Eriksund

    Eriksund Member

    Some of the experts on this very forum...
     
  8. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Tolkien

    'Advice is a dangerous gift, even from the wise to the wise, and all courses may run ill.'
     
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  9. Eriksund

    Eriksund Member

    Your not wrong...
     
  10. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    "If you ask the elves for advice, they say both yes and no"
     
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  11. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Yoda
    "Many of the truths that we cling to depend on our point of view"
     
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  12. Jay GT4

    Jay GT4 Well-Known Member

    I thought that was Obi Wan :)
     
  13. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    ..then perhaps you've learned a more valuable lesson, but at a greater cost.
     
  14. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    ..then perhaps you've learned a more valuable lesson, but at a greater cost.
     
  15. Eriksund

    Eriksund Member

    It appears to be so.... Yet I have made more grievous and costly errors long before this time... It seems I tend to learn more from my mistakes than from my successes.... Life is great!
     
  16. Ken Dorney

    Ken Dorney Yea, I'm Cool That Way...

    Barry Murphy was the one who said it was cast, so I would trust his opinion. Nevertheless, I would not have cut it for a couple reasons. First, decent fakes are always made with proper metals, so there was no need to cut it. Second, maybe 50 or 100 years down the line someone might get it and think it genuine as it has a 'proper' test cut in the flan.
     
  17. Eriksund

    Eriksund Member

    I just couldn't help myself, and as being a novice, I figured what the heck. I was the kid who had to take everything apart to see how it worked. Hence me being a car doctor. Hmm, what to do now...
     
  18. Lolli

    Lolli Active Member

    Ken : "Barry Murphy was the one who said it was cast, so I would trust his opinion."

    Where did he say do?
     
  19. Eriksund

    Eriksund Member

    I don't understand that last sentence... Sense it makes not..(Yoda)..
     
  20. Lolli

    Lolli Active Member

    I can not find the posting in which has said that the coin is cast and why?

    The pictures are not the best so I am curious what condemns the coin as cast fake?
     
  21. Ken Dorney

    Ken Dorney Yea, I'm Cool That Way...

  22. harley bissell

    harley bissell Well-Known Member

    People in lands that were occupied by Rome or traded with Rome got used to their coins. They used real coins to make molds so that their silver and gold ore could be spent. There was no attempt to defraud and frequently their metal was more pure than what the romans used. That was especially true in the later years as Rome began to debase their money. Counterfeits were usually made of base metal then plated with silver or gold. These full value copies of Roman coins were called BARBEROUS RADIATES. At least I've seen that marked on some of my holders.
    I don't know if they also used other names for them. They have a value as collectibles and cutting into this one may have ruined that value. A counterfeit will likely be under weight where a full value radiate would be correct weight or heavier than normal.
     
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