Trying to ID another in my collection. Am I right this time?

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by furryfrog02, Jul 27, 2018.

  1. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    I have narrowed it down to being minted in Antioch and I believe it is:

    Constans AE3. F L IVL CONSTANS NOB C, laureate, cuirassed bust right / GLOR-IA EXERC-ITVS, two soldiers holding spears and shields with one standard between them. Mintmark SMANH.

    It's hard for me to tell since most of the letters are missing. Is there anyone who can confirm/deny my suspicions? Is there any other way I can tell since I am missing most of the letters?

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  3. Justin Lee

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  4. Justin Lee

    Justin Lee I learn by doing

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  5. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    Thanks. The only ones from Antioch I could find had at least 3 circles? on the standard in the middle. Mine only has two. Which is why I wasn't really sure if I was heading in the right direction.
     
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  6. Justin Lee

    Justin Lee I learn by doing

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  7. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer

    The circular objects on the standards are phalera, which are sculpted discs which were awarded for various military exploits.
     
  8. dougsmit

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    Justin gave the best answer possible for coins like this. When we don't have letter to read, we try reading spaces. Sometimes it works better than others. I agree this is most likely Constans but absolute answers are easier with more data.
     
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  9. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    Unfortunately (for me) most of the rest of the coins I have are like this - sans letters. I think I will be able to get close but not 100% IDs on them.
     
  10. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    That is why I suggest beginning with coins that have the letters and moving on to the doubtful ones after you have more experience. There are coins that can not be identified but there are more that will be easier if you have handled many coins that are similar and have a feel for how they should look. I do suggest the Bruck book on poor coins but you may find it cheaper than Amazon.
    https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_...keywords=+bruck+coins&rh=i:aps,k:+bruck+coins

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    https://books.google.com/books?id=8...AEwB3oECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q=bruck coins&f=false

    http://www.coinsweekly.com/en/Late-...famous-book-republished-in-English/4?&id=3415
     
  11. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Here's another Constans....Obverse: FL CONSTANTIS BEA C, reverse: GLORIA EXCERCITVS, Siscia mint

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  12. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    It almost hurts me that this coin is billed just as 'another' Constans after all the times I have posted one like it here on CT. I do rather wonder how many here can explain the way this coin is different from a hundred other coins of Constans, of the reverse type or even from the one I post below.
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    We recently heard the opinion that LRB's are boring and learned that having that opinion is more common than expressing it openly. I can't say that this is the most fascinating Constans but it is one of the little side features that keeps me interested in things not on the top of my personal favorites list.
     
  13. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    Based on @Victor_Clark 's earlier post here, those guys have quite a few phalera. Must have had quite an impressive military career :)
     
  14. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

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  15. lrbguy

    lrbguy Well-Known Member

    A late BEA C with a single standard. Nice.
     
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  16. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer

    you can find varying numbers from mint to mint...look at the example Doug posted above for maybe the most I have seen.

    here's a Constans with six from Siscia, counting the one on the banner.

    it's also has the same unusual obverse legend as Doug's example -- FL CONSTANTIS BEA C

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  17. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Is there a thesis subject out there studying the accuracy or identity of standards for legions as shown on Roman coins of Antony, Septimius and late Romans? ...or were some just random?

    The coin I showed above is an 8 if you count the banner.
     
  18. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer

    yes, I updated my post after I counted them
     
  19. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    I don't have any idea. I'd sure be interested to know if there was.
     
  20. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Doug's coin has 7 phalera, mine has 3. I'm going to look at the differences and see how many variants there are. It does prove that LRB's can have some interesting varieties, including the unusual obverse legend.
     
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  21. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer


    I don't think that proves it, as it was already a well-established fact for numerous reasons.
     
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