1862 6 G one penny possibly? Strange hair Victoria

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  1. coincidental

    coincidental New Member

    Hello! I've gotten a bit stuck on this one : I think it's a 6 + G 1862 one penny. But all the photos I've seen of this combo look different with the hair coming off the back below her head near the ribbon and also the stairs behind her? See what I mean:
    One penny v nice 1862 NEW HEAD.jpg One penny v nice 1862 NEW etc.jpg
    So some of it looks like extra hair but then there is some other lines almost like an unfinished sketch behind Victoria on her portrait. Also a crack above her head... Any ideas? Either I've missed something or there's something different about this one. Thanks!
     
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  3. Not really familiar with the variety, but that is a great die clash to the right of Victoria. It looks like the clash continues into Victoria's bun.
     
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  4. TheFinn

    TheFinn Well-Known Member

    Matt hit the nail on the head - clashed die. The "extra hair" is Britannia's knee.
     
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  5. British coins are medal alignment. The extra detail in her hair should correspond to Britannia's elbow or maybe tunic.
    The edge of one leg might be visible in the field just to the left of Victoria. Kind of hard to tell without the coin in hand.
     
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  6. coincidental

    coincidental New Member

    Great thanks! Only one thing: I've realised that curve is the shield side as if it went right through from the other side if you know what I mean... the hand shape appears to be at the top of the curve as well. Still a clash I guess? Interesting thanks.
     
  7. coincidental

    coincidental New Member

    Ok I've brushed up on it now and yes very interesting I think the clash happened then they did a repair which is why the higher parts as such are looking normal. They then possibly mistook the lines as hairs like I did at first and this coin was made. I've done a bit of photoshopping to look at it in more detail:
    One penny v nice 1862 NEW HEAD.jpg One penny v nice 1862 NEW clash combine .jpg One penny v nice 1862 NEW clash twist turn brittania .jpg
    So that was the angle I assume as it seems to fit. There's even a few tiny marks over the rest of the coin which seem to line up. Thanks :)
     
  8. Nice job with Photoshop. If that coin has a couple die cracks and a clash, then a rotated die would go right along with that.
     
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  9. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Yep. Cool clash, and that's one pretty penny!
     
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  10. coincidental

    coincidental New Member

    Thanks :) and thanks for the info....
     
  11. Bardolph

    Bardolph Active Member

    Get hold if you can of a copy of Spink's Coins of England. Victoria's pennies offer an amazing number of varieties on both the obverse and reverse. This has the well-known Obverse Nº 6. It is not easy to see from this photo of a photo, but I can guarantee that there is no doubt about it - the very poor top dot of the colon at the very end of the legend clinches it. Bun penny Obverse No 6.jpg Bun penny Obverse No 6.jpg
     
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  12. PaddyB

    PaddyB Eccentric enthusiast

    Far easier for studying the penny varieties is this website:
    https://headsntails14.wordpress.com/
    which has excellent photos online of most of the variations including magnified views.
     
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  13. coincidental

    coincidental New Member

    Slightly confused I posted earlier and it's disappeared I copied it anyway so I'll paste it here :
    Ah yes that was why I mentioned 6 + G in the first post at least I thought G. I have the 2016 version :) though I don't like the photos in the spinks book as I cannot see the finer details but I guess they try to keep the exact sizes but still it's a bit low in resolution. I need to get the other books though especially English copper, tin and bronze coins in the British Museum, 1558-1958. :) ...
     
  14. coincidental

    coincidental New Member

    And I guess you answered my vanishing post? Anyway great site thanks!
     
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