The most uniform and bizarre die crack I have ever seen; 1813 Large Cent

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  1. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    Anyone ever seen something like this before? Since die cracks are varieties, I am sure there is more than one of these. It is for sale at Coast to Coast Coins. Almost a perfect circular die crack. I do not collect coins with die cracks, but I have to admit this is amazing. MS63BN by PCGS.

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  3. CoinBlazer

    CoinBlazer Numismatic Enthusiast

    Price?
     
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  4. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    There's a member here who has a better looking one..... I'm sure he'll be around shortly lol
     
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  5. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Nice coin. Maybe ex-Randall Hoard. A lot of them have that very distinctive circular crack. I don't know the variety attribution offhand.
     
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  6. beef1020

    beef1020 Junior Member

    This is an 1818 N-10 likely from the Randall Hoard of large cents. It's very common in high grade, and quite a dramatic example of a large die crack. These early middle dates are full of cracks and cuds, very interesting part of the series.
     
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  7. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Typecoin has one I believe
     
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  8. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    $845
     
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  9. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    Die cracks like this are unusual, but they occurred more than you may realize. The cause is a combination of improperly treated dies and or planchets, and the proximity of the stars to each other in the design. The tips of the stars concentrate stresses in the dies and, if too hard (and therefore brittle), the dies will begin cracking and soon "connect the dots".

    There are many other coins which exhibit similar cracking, if not as spectacularly, Morgan Dollars and shield nickels being among them.
     
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  10. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    Were coins annealed back then to help planchets from cracking?
     
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  11. Yankee42

    Yankee42 Well-Known Member

    @TypeCoin971793
     
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  12. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    Yup. Here she is! 1820 N-13

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    That is a bit steep. CCC usually asks fairly strong prices for their coins. Also, that variety is very common in high grades, and that is not the nicest MS-63 I’ve seen for the date. Good luster, but unsightly splotches.

    The above coin is graded MS-62, and I got her for $650.
     
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  13. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    My 1818 is almost a P-01. Nice to see what it should look like.
     
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  14. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    I don't know the answer to that question.
     
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  15. TheFinn

    TheFinn Well-Known Member

    Not the coins, but the planchets before striking. As was mentioned, if the dies were treated wrong and were too hard, they became brittle. Too soft and they bulge and deform, losing detail.
     
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  16. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

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  17. Bill in Burl

    Bill in Burl Collector

    Yes, the planchets are/were annealed (softened) and the dies hardened before striking. Any time you have an intricate design element (in this case the stars) cracks will form wherever there is a sharp, very angular direction change. In this case the star points, but you can always see them starting from T's, I's, or serifs in the lettering or digits.
     
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  18. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    He is definitely not in line with prices of comparable coins. Usually around 20% more. Never bought from him yet.
     
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  19. Dynoking

    Dynoking Well-Known Member

    The die crack is definitely an interesting focal point of this coin. I share your admiration. What concerns me is the wear spots in the hair above the R and T and above the eye brow. Add in the splotches and I question how PCGS arrived at the grade of MS63.
     
    Dynoking, Jul 11, 2018
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  20. SilverDollar2017

    SilverDollar2017 Morgan dollars

    A nice coin, but overpriced by CCC, IMO.

    Fantastic coin @TypeCoin971793 !
     
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  21. StephenS

    StephenS Member

    Man, that is nice!
     
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