Any help with this please?

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  1. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

    I think it is a fouree. 29 mm 14g.

    Looks like winged figure on reverse holding something, so Nike?
    The obverse is a mess. Unfortunately I saw what I thought was a chimera and now I can't see anything else.

    chimera.JPG chimera rev.JPG
    It doesn't have the specific gravity of silver.

    Any thoughts please?
     
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  3. tenbobbit

    tenbobbit Well-Known Member

    If you spin the first picture 180* it looks like a Corinthian helmet style ?
    Sorry Pish, that's all I have. chimera[1].JPG
     
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  4. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    It is, or is patterned after, a coin of Side in Pamphylia. Spin the top picture 180 degrees and you'll see Athena's head facing right, wearing a crested helmet. The obverse is the usual Nike seen on coins of Side.
     
  5. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

    Of course it does! I couldn't see it, thanks tenbobbit.
     
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  6. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

    Thanks TIF.
     
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  7. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    CT-Pish-SideTet_edited-1.jpg


    An example of a Side tetradrachm from CNG's archives. There are many slight variations of the reverse.
    [​IMG]
     
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  8. Andres2

    Andres2 Well-Known Member

    Its underweight with 14 gram , should be around 17 gram.
    Can you detect a copper core on the edge , I think I see some green stuff overthere.

    Here's mine with description:

    P1210032.JPG
     
  9. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

    Thanks @andre2 I told the seller it was unferweigun and likely an ancient forgery. It looked like a fouree to me.

    Love your example.
     
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  10. Theodosius

    Theodosius Fine Style Seeker

    It is an interesting coin Pish.

    What do the edges look like?

    John
     
  11. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    ..you said it was what?!?...><..
     
  12. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

    Underweight!!
    Fat finger syndrome. :D
     
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    Pishpash Well-Known Member

  14. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    haha! i knew what ya meant, but i thought maybe it was an unknown to me language:D
     
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  15. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    I thought it was a German word meaning underweight :D. It is totally believable as a German word (apologies to my German-speaking CT friends :D)

    Fun fact from Google Translate:

    Unferweigun apparently means "inevitably" in Frisian.

    Per Wikipedia, The Frisian languages are a closely related group of Germanic languages, spoken by about 500,000 Frisian people, who live on the southern fringes of the North Sea in the Netherlands and Germany.
     
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  16. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

    Wow! I speak Frisian!
     
  17. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    I have an AE version of that cool coin @Pishpash . Got this one from @Valentinian as small change for the Side Silver...

    Pamphylia-Side AE 15mm Minerva R -  Nike L wreath Sear Grk 5440 SNG Cop 408ff.JPG
    Pamphylia-Side AE 15mm Minerva R - Nike L wreath Sear Grk 5440 SNG Cop 408ff
     
  18. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

    @Theodosius photos of the side of the coin are now on the updated listing eBay UK item number 323311819883.
     
  19. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    Do we mean by ancient counterfeit what is known as "contemporary imitation"?
    Then I wanted to ask whether these coins were usually struck or cast. Thanks.
     
  20. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    O wow!@TIF.. it did totally lQQk like a word and now it turns out it is!...i will unferwiegun use it now(i was going to anyway:)) @Pishpash you are a talented soul :)
     
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  21. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

    I bought it shipped for under a tenner. I got it as a curiosity. Definitely a fouree, I knew it was underweight. I like these oddities.
     
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