PCGS Knows All.... Apparently

TypeCoin971793, posted: "Care to enlighten us what the die markers for a 1916 P dime are?"

They are kept secret.

PS However, anyone who sees enough 1916-P dimes and records what they see could begin to answer you question. For example, some of these coins were struck with broken dies. Now as for usefulness, diagnostics for 1916-P dimes are just interesting, useless, "fluff." The diagnostics for 1916-D dimes are the important ones to know.

JayF, posted: "Companies have different procedures, how to authenticate a coin probably has the same steps with all TPGs but how a company applies it is a totally different process. Like did PCGS checked for die markers for this particular coin? I read there is possibly a die marker for the 1916 dime so I was curious if PCGS used it to identify the coin. Also, he said "may or may not be" so there's still a question of whether it's a mistake or not, based on his response."

Unfortunately, something was not made clear enough for you in this discussion. You seem like a pretty smart guy so I'm sure you will figure out what's going on - eventually.

"BTW, did you report this to PCGS already? Since you stated it's OUR job to police these types of "mistakes"

Nope. Absolutely not. I work for a TPGS. The more the image of PCGS is tarnished , the better for me. The off-center strike with no date is nothing.

NumisNinja, posted: "But at the same time, you can't definitively say it's NOT full bands. Just like you can't say it's not a 1916D. The inherrent nature of offset coins is that they come from a die which may have only left partial indication of what the coin actually is. You can question the grader's grounds for his designation of that coin, but you can't prove he's absolutely wrong either.

Please! This is an example of why I have .

@NumisNinja I have it on good authority that the coin is actually a 1920-D FSB Mercury dime! Get the point?

 

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Help! Are you saying it can either be a 1916 FB or not be a 1916 FB 10c as it is another date? If so just say it! I'm not very bright.

 

I never said there were and specially said I don’t like Merck’s enough to know. For the third time I was speaking in general terms as I said I was

 

Not a 1945-P? Aww...

 

It was clear to me, I was following the thread pretty well, then your friend started defending the "mistake". I was just pointing things out from what I've read so YOU understand why I asked them.

That's the spirit. I'm glad you have it in you to rely on their mistakes to make it better for you. Every little bit helps.

 

@Insider It's BOTH a 1916 FB and a 1916 no FB at the same time.

It has something to do with an explanation of quantum mechanics, probabilities, the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principal, and silly stuff like that. Sort of like trying to explain the differences between natural toning, artificial toning and market acceptable toning

But anybody who can come up with an equation that has more Greek letters than a Roman provincial coin must be pretty smart

 

Yep, not a coin...it's a Mint Error. Numismatically interesting, but not legal tender.

 

WHAT ?!? If that thing wasn't slabbed, I wonder what the real value is.

I guess it's true, you can't get rich quick searching for rare coins...you just have to make a "rare" one.

 

Oh, come on, Doug.

It's clearly a dime planchet. Bang, "identifiable value", along with "silver or other metal".

It's clearly got a partial impression of the Mercury design, obverse and reverse. Bang, "stamped by authority of the government".

The argument you're trying to make here would also classify a Roosevelt dime struck with grease occluding the word DIME as "not money". That's just silly.

As for "being recognized by sight as money", I'm willing to bet that I'd have a hard time getting a cashier to accept a trime at face value, so shall we throw those under the bus as well?

 

You have to pretty much throw out everything before the current series if it has to be recognizable by sight as money. Heck plenty of people wouldn’t even know half dollars are money

 

GDJMSP, posted: "The legal definition of a coin is rather simple:
COIN -A piece of gold, silver or other metal stamped by authority of the government, in order to determine its value, commonly called money.

As I said, it's rather simple but it says a lot. For our purposes, the primary requirement is found in the "in order to determine its value" portion of the definition. What that means is that in order to even be a coin its value must be identifiable. It must also be identifiable as having been issued by the govt. And it must be capable of being recognized by sight as money.

The item in this thread meets none of those requirements, not one."

Looks like you got all of us!

Edit: Except Jeff.

 

Yes indeed! Until you actually see what you're looking for, it can be both!

 

Did I spoil the joke again?

 

I found a 2002 quarter stamped on the gold dollar how do I put pictures

 

this is the quarter

 

you can even see the lint marks where it was stamped through

 

it is pretty neat how it is recessed I collected with my dad I wish he was around to see this

 

It's just a damaged coin. Welcome to CT.