Artificial Toning vs Natural Toning

I'd have to say all are AT. The colors, lines, patterns of colors they just don't look natural.

 

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I also think they are AT. I was leaning that way anyway, then Arizona Jack convinced me. Just for the record, I personally don't like toned coins anyway. I think they are ugly.

 

Funny thing: Search in Morgan Dollars on ebay, then narrow search to " rainbow"

You will see the same sellers with columns of identically toned circ coins, then there's the guy who has perfected the "roll rainbow",lol. I crack up. It's almost sad seeing the buyers stand in line to get these gems !!!!

There is a seller here in Phoenix, their location says Sun City AZ, which is a retirement community, he is in all catagorys with crazy chemical and heater jobs. I can just see some elderly person practicing their new hobby, coloring coins like easter eggs, " Hey, Blanch, Look at this baby !!! " " Wooooo, Honey, that sure is a perty one !! ":thumb:

 

I understand. But it is natural for coins to tone when exposed to oxygen. Toning is oxidation, similar to rust on steel. The presence of some substances (e.g., sulpher) or certain conditions (e.g., heat or humidity) may accelerate toning.

It is next to impossible to find an untoned coin from before 1850 or so. Those that are not toned have more than likely been dipped.

Given the choice I don't like heavily toned coins myself. I would prefer a nice, shiny, untoned coin. But I would choose a toned coin over a dipped coin. That original surface is more desirable to me than an altered surface.

Coins with the wild toning (monster toning) don't do much for me. Some look like a kindergarten art project. However, a natural, pleasingly-toned coin might just catch my eye.

 

I agree, Hobo. My comment was over simplified. What I really meant is I don't like the wild colors, like you mentioned. I would certainly rather have a naturally toned coin than a dipped one. But a nice BU piece with no toning at all and still not chemically altered are supreme. Anything earlier than 1850 is out of my current budget range anyway. Maybe someday...

 

Great minds think alike.

 

Natural Toning , these coins are mine, the images are a mix of my pictures and pictures from when I purchased them. I do not collect Morgans per se, I just keep some around. These are some of my keepers for a toning example type set. Top left would be end of roll/paper wrapper toning, next 2 are Battle Creek Hoard bag toning, both NGC 64*'s, and the bottom right is a 96 with album toning.

 

Very interesting story on the 96P, lower right, It's a dogger except for the toning, I bought it just for the color as an example of album toning. I saw another one a year later from a different seller, and bought it as well. Take a look at the coincindence.

 

Is the coincidence that the sequence of the serial number of the grading ... which means it's likely NOT album toning but was in a roll? W/the sequence does that mean these coins were graded at the same time? Weird. Or did I have too much eggnog today?

 

It crossed my mind that these could be roll toning, if these were in order. I don't know the NGC code, but the sequential numbers make it seem as they were graded in order, eliminating album toning I would guess.

Mark> Any ideas?

 

The consecutive NGC ID numbers indicate that those two coins were submitted and graded in that order.

 

Artificial Toning vs Natural Toning
is that like the beach vs the tanning salons:goofer::goofer:

 

I would say all of them are artifical toning, although I am not so sure about the 1891....

 

Here are the answers to my original question: "Do you think these are NT or AT?"

In my opinion they are ALL Artificial Toning. Here is what I base my opinion on:

The toning has an unnatural appearance. It appears to have been brushed on most of the coins. Notice on the 1889 Morgan how the magenta (red) toning has 3 or 4 different brush marks.

The toning in the fields climbs up onto and over the devices, numerals, letters, denticles and rims. With natural toning one color may be in the crevices of the hair (or numeral, letter or denticle) while another color lays on the high points of the hair (or numeral, letter or denticle). The toning on these coins is painted across the entire coin.

The rims are toned the same as the fields in many places. (That's part of the toning being carelessly brushed on the coin.)

There is no gradual flow from one color toning to the next. There is an abrupt change from one color to the next.

The color sequence is incorrect on some coins. The correct sequence for naturally-toned coins is Yellow - Magenta (Red) - Cyan (Blue). (See the Washington State Quarter.)

The water droplets in the toning on several coins is an indication of liquid transfer toning (a process used by coin doctors). Natural toning is created by air transfer and does not leave water spots.

The wild toning on the obverse of some coins is also on the reverse. That is not likely in natural toning.

 

:thumb:

 

Arizona,

Looks like those Morgans have the NGC Ring...
http://www.cointalk.org/showthread.php?t=11558


Ben

 

Don't know about that digger... I have about 15-20 NGC toners, these are the only 2 like that, and like I said, they were toned when I bought them

 

I'm quite partial to the ANACS/ANA ring myself.
BTW, I own all these beauties.





These two are ex-ANA...cracked them out to try my hand at the crossover game. The 79-S stayed the same and the 81-S went from 65 to 66. :kewl:

 

the 65 81-S that crossed to 66 was just begging for a crckout, good eye !!

 

Thanks. Here are some more...I don't own these ones anymore (except for the 80-S as the buyer hasn't paid for it yet ) but they're all beauties.