Artificial Toning vs Natural Toning

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Hobo, Dec 24, 2007.

  1. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    "Monster-toned" coins bring big bucks. The big bucks motivate coin doctors to artificially tone coins to sell to the unsuspecting.

    Do you know how to spot artificial toning (AT) or what to look for to confirm natural toning (NT)?

    I found several "Monster-toned" coins on eBay, both active and completed auctions. Do you think these are NT or AT?

    1889 Morgan

    1891 Morgan

    1935 Peace
     

    Attached Files:

  2. Avatar

    Guest User Guest



    to hide this ad.
  3. DJP7x0s

    DJP7x0s Sometimes Coins Arouse Me

    Are they all Artifical??? Can coins tone like like without help????
     
  4. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    Here are some Franklins.
     

    Attached Files:

  5. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    And State Quarters.
     

    Attached Files:

  6. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    You tell me. (I'll give the answer later after others have had a chance to post their guesses.)
     
  7. DJP7x0s

    DJP7x0s Sometimes Coins Arouse Me

    The quarters look just like the one I threw on the space heater at work the other day. The heat was cranking and the top glowing red. The Lincolns melted in about 45 seconds and the quarters looked like these in about 15 seconds
     
  8. CoinGal07

    CoinGal07 Still Collecting

    These are just.... weird.
     
  9. Shortgapbob

    Shortgapbob Emerging Numismatist

    They are all AT.
     
  10. codydude815

    codydude815 Wannabe coin dealer

    I agree.
     
  11. Scotto

    Scotto I collect what I like

    I would say A.T.
     
  12. rotobeast

    rotobeast Old Newbie

    They all look fake.
    I'll give the Peace dollar a chance at being NT.
    It looks like there is still some foreign material on it from wherever it was stored.
    Also, there is some light surface marks in the brown toning on the lower right.
    The toning on it does not look brushed on.

    The state quarters are obviously baked.
     
  13. Mark Feld

    Mark Feld Rare coin dealer

    All of those look like terrible/blatant AT jobs.
     
  14. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    Can you point to WHY they are AT?
     
  15. codydude815

    codydude815 Wannabe coin dealer

    One, new clad doesn't tone like that. 2, The colors don't fade into each other.
     
  16. Arizona Jack

    Arizona Jack The Lincoln-ator

    All fake.

    1st indicator is the color does not change in layers as does in many of these.

    Also, On these, the color rides " high" on the coin, natural toning takes time and develops patterns following flowlines in the metal.

    There is also color creep around the fine details such as lettering and dentils.
     
  17. rotobeast

    rotobeast Old Newbie

    The Morgans lack depth and ones that tone remotely like that are usually end roll coins.
    I don't think the toning would carry over to the reverse like that.
    I'm curious as to what the reverse of the Peace dollar looks like.

    The Franklins look like something was applied to it and burned off.

    The quarters were baked on a cookie sheet in the oven, with a drop of this and that applied for experimental purposes.
    Coins minted that recently could not tone like that in such a short time.
    Just slow high heat.
     
  18. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    Very good. I have you thinking.
     
  19. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    Here ya go.
     

    Attached Files:

  20. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    Arizona Jack will be an expert on AT next week. (The DVD is in the mail.)
     
  21. rotobeast

    rotobeast Old Newbie

    Hmmm.....
    It looks less likely from the reverse, but I still think there's a chance.
    It looks like something may have been caked on the coin, at one point.
    Note how it appears that something was scraped off of the area of the text "United".
    I suppose it could have been stuck in a pile of sulfur.
    I guess there is still an outside chance that it could be NT, but I wouldn't bet on it.
     
Draft saved Draft deleted

Share This Page