How to Grade this 1797 Large Cent Broadstrike Or Off-center?

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by JCro57, Jun 16, 2018.

  1. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    My first 1700s U.S. Error! 1797 reverse of 1797 Stems.

    I think it might be off center as the top of the reverse is cut off, but was sold as a broadstrike. The way I see it, who cares. Pretty sure it wont get a details grade, and I already know it is genuine.

    I am thinking an F-15 minimum as some parts are sharp, especially the word LIBERTY, the face, as is most of the last 3/4 of the reverse, but the top of the reverse lettering has worn away.

    I am sending this to either PCGS or NGC. How do they grade a coin with these extremes in detail?

    Any expert help is appreciated.

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  3. steve.e

    steve.e Cherry picker

    I think its a missaligned die (mad) strike.
    It a nice looking coin. F-15 might be a stretch. Im thinking more like a 12. Let us know the outcome.
     
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  4. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    @paddyman98 what about you? MAD, off center, or broadstrike?
     
  5. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    Actually, I don't think it can be a misaligned die strike. Don't MADs only appear off-centered on one side while the other is normal? This is off on both sides.
     
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  6. steve.e

    steve.e Cherry picker

    The obverse looks pretty normal to me for an 18nt century coin. Imho
     
  7. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    Hmmm. Even how the edge pattern starts to disappear on the obverse at 5 o'clock, and the bottom of the date is cut off? Not being argumentative. Just genuinely asking.
     
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  8. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    I'd say it is both off-center and has misaligned dies. It is off on both sides in the same direction, and part of the design is off the planchet. It is off-center. But the reverse is off a little more than the obv, MAD.

    MAD's can happen with either hammer or anvil die (even both at once), but because the anvil die always remains inside the collar on modern coins the anvil die can never be mis-aligned more than a tiny amount. In the case of the 1797 cent though the dies were not contained in a close collar, so the anvil die can be mis-aligned considerably more.
     
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  9. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    Is there a consensus as to whether NGC or PCGS is better for Draped Bust Large Cents?
     
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