please grade 1907 1 cent

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  1. DJP7x0s

    DJP7x0s Sometimes Coins Arouse Me

    Ah, Ive never known the actual percentage that constitutes full red. Ive always based my purchases on eye appeal. And well, if it looks red or not
     
    DJP7x0s, Dec 22, 2007
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  3. Mark Feld

    Mark Feld Rare coin dealer

    I've often heard a figure of 90%. Either way, there are many "RD" copper coins where the entire surface color is slightly mellowed and others with predominantly full red color, but for small patches of slightly or more noticeably mellowed color.

    Also different date copper coins display different "RD" color, as made. So, what qualifies as "RD" for one date might not for another. Often, the determination as to whether a copper coin is "RD" vs. "RB" or "RB" vs. "BN" is as subjective and difficult as the determination of what numerical grade to assign to a coin.
     
    Mark Feld, Dec 22, 2007
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  4. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    I do the same thing - first eye appeal, then is the grade correct, then how much am I willing to pay. I see a lot of red coins in both indian cents and lincolns that I would not want to own.
     
    mark_h, Dec 22, 2007
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  5. spock1k

    spock1k King of Hearts

    you and me mark you and me
     
    spock1k, Dec 23, 2007
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  6. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I have always figured that when it comes to grading standards that it is better to go with what is actually written down instead of what I think or what I have heard from others. And if you examine all of the grading books you will find that there are basically 2 ways to determine whether or not a coin is worthy of the Red designation.

    In the PCGS standards they say specifically that a coin may be considered as Red Brown with as little as 5% Red and as much as 90% Red. That leaves it as somewhat ambiguous as to what constitutes Red. But we know that it has to be higher than 90%. But if you ask the folks at PCGS, they will tell you that you need 95% for a Red designation.

    In the other grading books there are no percentages listed, all they say is that for a coin to be considered as Red that it must possess full original red mint color. They describe Red/Brown as a mixture of red and brown. And that's about it.

    So there you have it. Yes the designation is ambiguous, PCGS states in writing that it must be higher than 90% - the ANA and others say it must be full original red mint clolor, which seems to imply 100% but does not state it specifically. So I rather think that's where the 95% number comes from - they meet in the middle.
     
    GDJMSP, Dec 23, 2007
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