The Ghost of Elagabalus

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by zumbly, Jun 6, 2018.

  1. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    I've also wondered what that thing is and envision it as a club-like stick with bells or other bell-like metal bits attached, perhaps Syrian version of a sistrum-- something musical and percussive to be used during Elagabalus's Sun God rituals.

    I've posted lengthy Fruitcake Pride parades in many past CT threads so I'll just show a couple of Elagabalus coins here :). I have no cool die clashes though.

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    EGYPT, Alexandria. Elagabalus
    tetradrachm, 24 mm, 13.27 gm
    regnal year 4
    Obv: laureate head right
    Rev: Elagabalus standing right and empress (Aquilia Severa or Annia Faustina) standing left, each holding scepter, clasping right hands; L ∆ across field
    Ref: Köln –; Dattari (Savio) 4098; K&G 56.43; Emmett 2929.4 (R4)

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    PHOENICIA, Tyre. Elagabalus
    CE 218-222
    AE29, 13.4 gm
    Obv: Laureate, draped and cuirassed bust right
    Rev: Dido building Carthage; she stands to front before the arched gate of the city, looking left, holding a rule and transverse sceptre; above the gate, a mason at work, [below, a man digging with pick]; murex shell in upper field, palm tree to right
    Ref: Rouvier 2375; BMC 409; AUB 245; Price & Trell 748
    https://www.cointalk.com/threads/ancients-the-building-of-carthage.254625/


    (Yay, I finally have internet service again and can catch up on the last week of CT posts :) )
     
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  3. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    I agree that it's not the club of Hercules (nitpicky note - I think you meant to say "coins of Caracalla" in the quote above; interestingly, Elagabalus issued no imperial coins with a Hercules reverse), but I still don't see a branch. I like your suggestion that it's a "cypress-wood rod", but the question remains if the difference between RIC 52 and RIC 53 is a meaningful one...

    I think if the intention was to represent the difference between our examples and ones that look more naturally branch-like (see this one below, which is not my coin), I would suggest they're just stylistic variations of the same thing, whatever it is!

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  4. benhur767

    benhur767 Sapere aude

    Yes, you're right. Meant to be coins of Caracalla.
     
  5. AncientJoe

    AncientJoe Well-Known Member

    I finally managed to cross the Emesa Stone type of Elagabalus off of my list after a long hunt, with the coin arriving this morning from a private purchase, hot off the photography presses. I like this particular coin in part for its pedigree, Ex. Mazzini and Ex. Sir John Evans, the father of Sir Arthur Evans, the archaeologist who excavated the ruins of Knossos (albeit controversially).

    The romantic in me imagines his father showing him this aureus as a child, teaching him about the history, and having this coin be a part of his interest in history (and eventual coin collecting).

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    "Few emperors are known almost exclusively for their peculiarities and perversions, but on the short list of qualified applicants, Elagabalus rises to the top. The 19th Century antiquarian S.W. Stevenson, ever a delight for his artfully delivered comments, did not fail to deliver in his summary of Elagabalus whom he called : "...the most cruel and infamous wretch that ever disgraced humanity and polluted a throne..."

    Elagabalus and his family had lived in Rome during the reign of Caracalla, who was rumored to have been Elagabalus' natural father. When Caracalla was murdered, his prefect and successor, Macrinus, recalled the family to their homeland of Syria. Upon arriving, Elagabalus assumed his role as hereditary priest of the Emesan sun-god Heliogabalus. For the Roman soldiers in the vicinity, who engaged in the common practice of solar worship, and who had fond memories of the slain Caracalla, Elagabalus was an ideal candidate for emperor.

    He soon was hailed emperor against Macrinus, who was defeated in a pitched battle just outside Antioch. Conservative Rome was introduced to their new emperor's eccentricities and religious fervor when they learned of his overland journey from Emesa to Rome, with a sacred meteorite in tow. The journey, which consumed a year or more, in this collection is depicted on one aureus which shows the sacred conical stone of Emesa - in all likelihood a meteorite - being transported in a chariot drawn by four horses. The stone usually is emblazoned with an eagle, which on the Rome piece is uncommonly bold."
     
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  6. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    kaBOOM!

    Congrats on this marvelous acquisition :)
     
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  7. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Congrats Joe! Gorgeous and fantastic AV coin! "All Hail the Royal Potato in Chariot!"
     
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  8. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Another terrific acquisition, AJ. Great example of an iconic type (I recall it made Berk's list of his 100 Greatest Ancient coins). Congrats!
     
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  9. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    A great purchase. You should be very proud.
     
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  10. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    That is a great reverse with clear eagle on the stone! Is that a die break on the laurel wreath?
     
  11. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    A breathtaking coin!
     
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  12. AncientJoe

    AncientJoe Well-Known Member

    Thanks! And yes, it is a die break in the laurel wreath. One of the other examples from the same pair of dies exhibits the same break - when I was researching the type to come up with a price, I had to double take originally as I thought they were the same coin at a glance:

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  13. Edessa

    Edessa Well-Known Member

    This one has always confused me (a normal enough state of affairs). Similar to the OP coin, but what Elagabalus is holding almost looks more like a thunderbolt than a branch or club. Also there is no trace of a star in the reverse fields. Engraver's error or just a non-official imitation with good style? RomImp_Elagabalus_ARDen_RIC53_TM1094.jpg

    Elagabalus, 218 – 222 AD. AR Denarius (20mm, 2.06g, 6h). Rome Mint, struck 222 AD. Obv: IMP ANTONINVS PIVS AVG; Laureate and cuirassed bust right with slight beard. Rev: PM TRP V COS IIII P P; Elagabalus standing left, sacrificing over lighted altar, holding patera and branch (?).
     
  14. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Interesting without the star. It's not in RIC or BMCRE.
     
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  15. Edessa

    Edessa Well-Known Member

    Curtis Clay explained in previous FORVM posts that we have several examples of reverse dies of Elagabalus that have been altered to move the star from behind the emperor to in front of the emperor. To quote: "The star apparently stood for his sun god, to whom the emperor was depicted sacrificing, and therefore it should have been placed before him...". Mint officials were paying attention to the placement of the star, which makes this coin odd. When I see such odd coins my first assumption is that this might not be a production of an official mint.
     
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  16. Gary R. Wilson

    Gary R. Wilson ODERINT, DUM METUANT — CALIGULA

    This portrait has the horn also. You just have to look closely. Here's also the Temple of Elagabalus which supposedly kept the stone.

    Elagabalus 218-222 AD AR Denarius As High Priest  40.jpg Elagabalus 218-222 AD AR Denarius As High Priest.jpg

    Ruler: Elagabalus (Augustus)
    Coin: VF Silver Denarius
    IMP ANTONINVS PIVS AVG - Laureate, horned, draped bust right.
    INVICTVS SACERDOS AVG - Elagabalus, in Syrian priestly robes, standing left, sacrificing out of patera in right hand over tripod, holding club in left hand; behind tripod, bull lying down; in field, star
    Exergue:



    Mint: Rome (218-222 AD)
    Wt./Size/Axis: 2.77g / 18.6mm / 12h
    References:
    RIC 88b
    RSC 61
    BMC 212
    Provenances:
    Ex. Richard Weigel

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  17. Jochen1

    Jochen1 Well-Known Member

    Dear benhur767!

    Thank you for your posting. I love it!

    This is a very interesting thread. And I was engaged in the question "club or cypress" a long time. From Nikopolis ad Istrum I have coins were the so-called club doesn't match the picture of clubs as we know them from coins.

    Coin #1
    Nikopolis, Elagabal, Hristova/Hoeft/Jekov (2018) 8.26.8.12
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    Here the object on the rev. doesn't look like a usual club. There are too much knobs, looking like the "knobbly cypress pinecones" as in the image above.

    Coin #2:
    Nikopolis, Elagabal, HrHJ (2018) 8.26.14.10
    nikopolis_elagabal_HrHJ(2018)8.26.14.10.jpg

    Here the depiction is very different. It looks more like a plant, a twig with lateral sprouts. And exactly that Pick (AMNG) writes of the same type for Macrinus: "Stalk of a plant(?)"

    I have found a citation in H.R. Baldus Uranius Antoninus, 1971, p.274, note 56:
    "...in his left arm the High Priest carried a Cypress twig, often misunderstood as club (cf. the famous Palmyrene altar in the Musei Capitolini/Rome: The Birth of Malakbel from a Cypress"

    Malakbel was the Palmyrene sun god. And voila, there we have the connection to the sun god cult in Emesa!

    The Cypress tree is known as an age-old symbol for immortality and matches in this way better an religious Cult.

    Jochen
     
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  18. Svarog

    Svarog Well-Known Member

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  19. cmezner

    cmezner do ut des Supporter

    This coin has a double strike error on the reverse. One can see part of the pearled border perpendicular to where it should have been struck. Double struck ancient coins are fairly common, as they were hand struck without any collar holding the coin in place so the coin could easily move when being struck.

    Elagabalus - Invictus Sacerdos, Denarius
    Rome, 220 - 222 AD
    17 mm, 3.42 g
    Ref.: RIC IV Elagabalus 88b;
    Ob.: IMP ANTONINVS PI(V)S AVG Laureate and draped bust right
    Rev.: INVI(CT)VS SACERDOS A(VG) Elagabalus standing left, sacrificing over altar, holding patera in r. hand and club in l., bull lying down behind altar; in left field star
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  20. Julius Germanicus

    Julius Germanicus Well-Known Member

    If there would be space for just one Elagabalus coin in a time capsule for future civilizations, this Aureus would be a worthy representative! Good to have you here, AJ, and thank you for showing your golden masterpieces :)

    No Sestertius in this thread yet! So here is mine, an early specimen with a portrait of classical style, celebrating his Victory over Macrinus:

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    IMP CAES M AVR ANTONINVS PIVS AVG - laureate, draped and cuirassed bust of Elagabalus right.
    VICTORIA ANTONINI AVG S C - Victory advancing right, holding wreath and palm branch.
    Sestertius, Rome 218-219
    30,22 mm / 20,15 gr
    RIC 377; BMCRE 362; Cohen 297; Sear 7582
     
  21. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    Elagabalus denarius

    Obv:– IMP ANTONINVS PIVS AVG, laureate, horned, draped and cuirassed bust right
    Rev:– INVICTVS SACERDOS AVG, Elagabalus standing holding patera over an altar and branch. Star in right field. Horn on ground to his left
    Minted in Rome. A.D. 222
    Reference– BMC 209 note. RIC 87 (where it is rated Common citing Cohen). RSC III 58. Cohen 58 (illustrated with star in right field) valued at 50 Fr. No examples in RD.

    ex Numismatica Ars Classica NAC AG Sale 42, Lot 379, 20th November 2007, ex Barry Feirstein Collection, previously privately purchased from Harlan J. Berk.

    21 mm. 3.11 gms. 0 degrees

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