Brutium Punic 3/8th Shekel or is it?

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  1. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio

    I picked up an unidentified coin at a recent show. It was described as a drachm or hemidrachm. It is 2.47 grams and 14.7 X 15.9 mm with a 12 die axis. The coin looks like a Brutium Punic 3/8th Shekel. The Shekel is electrum, but my coin looks to be silver and looks to be struck over another coin???
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    The following assumes the coin is a fraction of a 3/8th of a shekel issued by Carthage and used in Bruttium during the Rome’s 2nd war with Carthage.

    BRUTTIUM, Carthaginian occupation. Circa 216-211 BC. EL (Silver?) 3/8 Shekel
    Based on one letter at 12 on obverse, may be struck over another coin???
    Obv - Janiform female heads, wearing wreaths of grain
    Rev - Zeus, holding thunderbolt in right hand, scepter in left, standing in quadriga right, driven by Nike, who holds reins.
    2.5 g
    14.7 X 15.9 mm
    12 h
    F, light gray / yellow tone, well worn or poorly struck. Rare.

    References (note I have the first 4 books, I do not see the coin in Crawford) Two links with more info are below.
    Jenkins & Lewis, Carthaginian Gold and Electrum Coins, Group XVI, numbers 487 - 493 (Capua)
    1. J&L mention 47 coins tabulated by Bahrfeldt in Die romische Goldmunzpragung.
    2. J&L give % gold for one coin = 27% (somewhere I read, but can not find now, that the %gold dropped into the teens late in the war)
    HN Italy 2013
    Grueber, BMCRR – Romano Campanian Coinage, Half Stater, No 145 – 149
    Sear Greek Coins, Vol 1 Europe, 287

    SNG Copenhagen 357
    Robinson, Punic p. 40 (Capua)
    SNG ANS 146 (Capua)


    https://bib.irb.hr/datoteka/643560.14_CRAWFORD_The_Tiriolo_hoard.pdf


    https://livyarrow.org/tag/roman-coins/


    the following coin is acsearch
    Bruttium punic HNI.2013.jpg
    https://www.acsearch.info/search.ht...s=1&thesaurus=1&order=0&currency=usd&company=
     
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  3. ancientcoinguru

    ancientcoinguru Well-Known Member

    I cannot add any information to your search, but wouldn't it be nice to own a Carthaginian electrum! I don't have much knowledge of overstrikes, so could you say why you think it is struck over another coin?
     
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  4. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio

    letter from undertype.jpg
    The top of the obverse has what could be a letter (bottom half of an E??) or other design.
    I have been reading about estimating gold with SpGr using two weights, in water and air. I will report my "findings".
     
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  5. ancientcoinguru

    ancientcoinguru Well-Known Member

    Thanks! I did not spot this. But couldn’t it be an old bankers mark as well? (though the bottom of an E is an odd mark to make). I look forward to your “findings”
     
  6. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Gene, I have seen this before, and did not pursue it (unfortunately).

    Boy, that Hannibal guy was busy trying to knock-off everything Roman and schmooze all their Allies onto his side... including similar coins. It looks like a very much REDUCED version of the Quadrigatus / Heavy Denarius. but roughly the same size as the HALF-Quadrigatus / Quinarius.

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    RR Anon AR Heavy Quinarius, Drachm, Half-Quadrigatus 225-212 BCE 3.1g 18mm Janus Jupiter in Quadriga L Victory ROMA Cr 28-4 S 35 SCARCE

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    RR Anon AR Heavy Quinarius, Half-Quadrigatus ,Drachm 216-214 BCE 3.0g 17mm Janus ROMA Jupiter Victory Quadriga LEFT Cr 29-4 Sear 35 Scarce

    RR Anon AR Heavy Denarius Quadrigatus Janus 225-215 BCE Cr 28-3 S 31 Obv-Rev.jpg
    RR Anon AR Heavy Denarius, Quadrigatus Janus 225-215 BCE 21mm 6.7g Cr 28-3 Sear 31
     
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