Carthago Dishekel AE Horse head Tanit folded rim

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  1. Andres2

    Andres2 Well-Known Member

    After numerous smaller Siculo Punic Horse head coins, I finally managed to buy a big one:

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    strange folded rim:

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    compared to a smaller unit coin:

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    * please show your Siculo Punic horseys
     
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  3. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Nice catch, Andres! All of those bronze Punic horse heads seem to be a bit tough to find, especially with any details, and the dishekel version is harder to find.

    I have two Punic horseys... one full horse and one head. I've shown them both bunches of times but will always gladly show them again :D

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    ZEUGITANA, Carthage
    early 2nd century BCE
    AE 15-shekel, 45 mm, 95 gm
    Obv: wreathed head of Tanit left
    Rev: horse standing right, left foreleg up; solar disk with uraei above
    Ref: Alexandropoulos J (2000) Les monnaies de l'Afrique Antique, 103; Müller L (1861) Numismatique de L'Ancienne Afrique, 131; Luynes 3782; Jenkins GK and Lewis RB (1963) Carthaginian Gold and Electrum Coins, Royal Numismatic Society, London, pl. 28 12

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    SICILY, Entella. Punic issues
    c. 300-289 BCE; AR tetradrachm, 24 mm, 16.8 gm, 12h)
    Obv: head of Melquart-Herakles right, wearing lion skin
    Rev: head of horse left; astragalos (cut over poppy) to left, palm tree to right, Punic MHSBM (approximate meaning is "quaestors" or financial controllers) below
    Ref: Jenkins, Punic 366 (O115/R298), series 5b
    Ex Gorny & Mosch 138 (7 March 2005), lot 33
     
  4. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    27mm 17.17g - folded rim - Silly me thought it was defective but now I learn it is fabric?
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  5. Andres2

    Andres2 Well-Known Member

    Thats a big bronze TIF, it can compete with your Ptolemy hockey pucks :)

    Never knew the Carthagians made 'm that big.

    This is my biggest full horse , a mere 3 shekel

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    The Heracles Melquart is still a mystery coin to me, as if Alexander the great occupied Sicily and issued coins overthere in Entella.

    MHSBM is usually translated as "" People of the camp"" (mercenaries employed by Carthago)

    @dougsmit , I think its a defect too.
     
  6. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Wonderful DiShekel and TriShekel @Andres2 !!! Somehow, since Carthage was so intertwined with the Roman Republic's History, I have several coins of Carthage:

    Some Denominations of Carthage (The Empire, not the Roman Colony):

    15-Shekels:
    Created to help finance Carthage's HUGE Indemnities after the 2nd Punic war. Ironically, this was the War with Hannibal, but it was Hannibal recalled to Carthage to reorganize their destroyed finances.

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    Carthage 201-175 BC Æ 15 Shekels 45 mm 7.5 mm thick. 102g WreathTanit Horse uraeus above. MAA 104 SNG Cop 400 RARE

    Trishekels:
    Carthage AE Trishekel Tanit Horse 220-215 BCE 2nd Punic War 30mm 19.7g Lot 36.jpg
    Carthage AE Trishekel Tanit Horse 220-215 BCE 2nd Punic War 30mm 19.7g Lot 36

    Carthage AE Trishekel Tanit Horse 220-215 BCE 2nd Punic War 30mm 17.6g Lot 35.jpg
    Carthage AE Trishekel Tanit Horse 220-215 BCE 2nd Punic War 30mm 17.6g Lot 35

    Dishekels:
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    Carthage Zeugitania after 241BCE DIshekel AE 27 10.8g Libyan Revolt Tanit - Horse r palm MAA 45 SNG Cop 253 scarce

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    Carthage LIBYAN UPRISING Mercenary War 241-238 BCE AR DiShekel Heracles Head in Lion's Head- Lion walking R SNG Cop 240f

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    Carthage Zeugitania First Punic War 264-241 BCE Double Shekel 26 mm 13.9 g Wreathed Tanit Horse stndng r star above SNG Cop 185 Rare

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    Carthage Third Punic War Serrate Double Shekel 149-146 BCE 12.8g 26mm Wreathd Tanit-Horse pellet raised leg SNG COP 404

    1-1/2 Shekels:
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    Carthage mint 2nd Punic War 203-201 BCE BI 1½ Shekels 24mm 9.4 g Wrthd Hd Tanit - Horse stndng R hd L, raised foreleg Pellet SNG COP 394

    Dekadrachm-Stater:
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    Carthage Zeugitana 310-270 BCE EL Dekadrachm-Stater 18.5mm 7.27g Tanit Horse 3 pellets in ex MAA 12 SNG COP 136
     
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  7. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    I did not collect these by Denoninations, rather by Historical perspectives.

    Shekels:

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    Carthage-Sardinia 300-264 BCE AE Shekel Tanit Horse Head Palm 18mm 4.8g sprues SNG Cop 173 - no pellet below

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    Carthage Zeugitania Libyan Revolt AR Shekel 24mm 7.34g 241-238 BCE Wreathed Tanit Horse stndg control mark and Punic M SNG Cop 236

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    Carthage - LIBYAN REVOLT Rebels 241-238 BCE 9.63g 24mm Shekel Sardinia mint Tanit 3 Grain ears Crescent SNG Cop 247

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    Carthage mint 2nd Punic War 215-201 BCE AE Shekel Tanit Horse stepping kerykeion SNG Cop 327

    Carthage - Zeugitana AR Shekel-Didrachm 360-264 BCE Tanit Horse r head l palm SNG COP 141.JPG
    Carthage - Zeugitana AR Shekel-Didrachm 360-264 BCE Tanit Horse r head l palm SNG COP 141

    2/3-Shekel:
    Carthage 300-264 BCE AR 2-3 Shekel Tanit-Horse Sear6491 SNG COP143var-tile.jpg
    Carthage 300-264 BCE AR 2-3 Shekel Tanit-Horse Sear6491 SNG COP143var

    Half-Shekels:
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    Bruttium Carthage occup 2nd Punic War AR Half-Shekel 216-211 Tanit Horse SOLARdisc HN Italy 2016

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    Bruttium Carthage occup 2nd Punic War AR Half-Shekel 216-211 Tanit Horse SOLAR-O HN Italy 2016 SNG Cop 361-3

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    Carthage Zeugitania AR ½ Shekel 17mm 3.8g 2nd Punic War 218-202 BC Sicily mint 216-211 BC Tanit l Horse r sun as double uraeus SNG COP 359

    1/10th Shekel:
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    Carthage - Zeugitana AV 1-10th Stater-Shekel 350-320 BCE 0.94g 7.5mm Palm- Horse Head SNG COP 132
     
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  8. Okidoki

    Okidoki Well-Known Member

    Great score Andre
     
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  9. Deacon Ray

    Deacon Ray Well-Known Member

    Great post, @Andres2 ! I think coins featuring horses are very beautiful. I own only one however and it's not of ancient Sicilian origin.

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  10. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Nice!! 29 mm? That's sestertius-sized! And, as you can see from many of the above photos, the flans were cast before striking and what you see is the result of flan preparation--it's part of the fabric of these coins.
     
  11. Andres2

    Andres2 Well-Known Member

    Hmm, I have 30 Siculo Punic coins, all have ""normal"" smooth rims , and the most I see for sale, have smooth rims too.

    The OP dishekel coin and this one are the exception:

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    Siculo Punic Tanit - Horsehead - unit 20mm - 5 gram - folded rim

    I think these are planchets with a defect, wonder if Doug made up his mind.
     
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