Correct weight, non-magnetic, fake as can be...

This is a continuing issue with eBay , and their ripoff sellers. It is time that people get law enforcement involved . To remedy this problem a few need to be charged, and that may just scare some of the others into becoming legit or shutting down. Every other week somebody is posting something about a fake coin on eBay ,and it is time that this stops. Who cares about 20 bucks, and that's what they are hoping. I think it is time that when this happens to someone that they get the proper police involved. That news will travel fast among the scammers , and hopefully scare some of them off. I would not even let them know so he can get caught red handed with the items that he is using to steal from people. Do not give him a heads up because he will deny sending you those coins, and say the ones he sent were different . Prove that? So if you keep quiet and let the police know , and let them do their job to catch and arrest as many of these thieves as possible. Maybe every time a person can spot a counterfeit coin keep a record of the seller, and get a list going and get the right people to put this person where he belongs. On the inside with a nice roommate .What about the new collectors that could easily get turned away from collecting , or the one who spends his whole allowance on a coin thinking he is getting something good. That hurts everyone that collects coins in the end.

 

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If you can call the internet crimes division of the police department in the state the seller lives in, they might take an interest in the case. Even if eBay does nothing the detectives can still pursue it on their own. Let the seller continue to peddle the same counterfeits on eBay thinking all is good, then they get a knock on the door from law enforcement and life starts getting not fun for them from there.

 

Keep buying them up until he realizes it is a no-win situation for him. Ebay used to care, but now they are the biggest fence of counterfeit coins in the world.

 

I wouldn't put it past some with casting skills to melt down some junk silver forks and spoons to cast these. Do you have a metal testing kit?

 

As if no one over the last twenty years or so has thought of trying to get the police involved. This hobby as a whole will be forever be indebted to those who've finally solved the problem (roll eyes here).

 

I do, but it seems kind of pointless. Someone selling fakes this crude wouldn't spring for actual silver content.

 

If you open up too many buyer protection cases on eBay (returns), eBay takes away your privileges to return any items.

 

Ebay will not get the police involved if they are asked. They will not get involved until they are made to do it by the law. If they would, it may be a lot easier to stop these people. I am sure that many may have tried in the past , but there was a pawn dealer that was busted a few months back for selling fake crap. Until people approach the law, sweet nothing will be done. Just because people have tried in the past is no reason to look beyond and blow it off.
The seller is going to offer to give the cash back , and most likely tell the buyer to keep the coins as some type of gift? eBay is the problem , they know whats going on , and they refuse to stop it. The only way is to get the FTC involved, the Auction Regulation Board, FBI , who ever. Phoning and complaining to eBay has not yielded many results in the past. One place however that does take this serious is the USPS because this is mail fraud. If a complaint is made through the Post Office fraud division they get down to business, and seem to get things happening. People like this are destroying what is a great hobby , but after you get burned the passion for the hobby disappears.There is a slight chance that the odd seller is not aware , but in this case of bait and switch it looks like it was an intentional ripoff. The auction companies blame it on the seller, and are adamant that they are not responsible in anyway what so ever. Not just eBay, most auctions run the same game. Their excuse is that they only supply the platform for the sellers to work on . Try calling the State Attorney office in the area where it was sold from. It is not easy to get the law involved , but you have to try just the same. I am writing this from experience from getting ripped off on Proxibid for 4k . Something that I do like like to admit but I got suckered because of the information provided by the auction house about the authenticity of certain items. Thanks everyone for letting me voice my opinion . It is not the 20 bucks one person loses it is the 20 dollars that 50 people lose.

 

I was bidding on the 1943 half they had for sale and luckily lost the auction. I'm now really happy I did not win that! I see that they are selling PCGS slabbed coins too. I wonder if those are real. Too bad people have to sell this trash. Hopefully you are able to get a refund.

 

I tend to purchase common worn silver dollars by the roll. I rarely inspect the rolls closely when I get them. Fortunately I don’t buy them from EBay but the thought certainly occurs to me that several of these could be hiding in some of my rolls.

 

How about letting us know the seller so we can avoid them. I got a coin from eBay, recently, having bid the starting bid of .99 and won it. It was a nice unc 1993D quarter but in a fake INB slab marked MS70. eBay seller daklmk2760. I of course will keep the coin as the postage to return it is more than its worth.

 

You have it backwards, the seller doesn't have to disprove anything. It has to be proven that was what they sent which is impossible to prove. As soon as the seller offers a refund that's the end of the issue.

 

INB is known as a shady grader. There is actually a really large eBay seller who slabs coins himself under that name and lists them - not the guy you bought them from. Why would you buy something graded by them?

 

I found the listing and based upon what I can see the seller did absolutely NOTHING wrong, yet here you are outing him as if some kind of fraud? What exactly was wrong with the coin other than what was almost certainly unrealistic expectations on the buyer's part?

I really hope you can make a solid case against him as there's little lower than someone so willing to trash another out of their refusal to accept any level of personal responsibility.

 

If you had deep enough pockets, that could be a hell of a lawsuit. I'd love to sue a company that was knowingly allowing counterfeits to be sold on their site. China won't do anything about Alibaba, but here in the US you could probably get something done.

 

All Auctions are going have people that do not care. I sold on eBay for approx. 3 years , met a lot of honest sellers, and a lot of very nice buyers which I am still in contact with today. It is not that every seller on eBay is selling garbage, it is finding the honest sellers and sticking with the few that sell good graded coins, and are honest. It is a sad day though when people make those at the top aware of issues with a certain buyer who is selling crap, and nothing ever seems to change. That is where I think there needs to be more involvement with the auction companies and the sellers. Not everyone is a crook there has and is many fine sellers on eBay , and on some of the other auction sites. It seems in todays world no matter what your doing there is always somebody trying to make a fast buck . Stick to the winners and you will not have any issues to have to deal with. If people quit buying from them, they will just try some other scam to bleed you of your cash.

 

At some point you guys are going to realize there are no novel ideas in these treads. People have been crying for the police for decades or saying to report this company and company and it does nothing. These companies don't become giants because they have incompetent legal teams that don't know how to shield them from liability.

It's listed on the NY Stock Exchange. It's not going anywhere.

 

Not being able to prove what the seller sent you can only go so far. I mean I could advertise "green shoes" on eBay and sell dope that way. Then if the DEA comes to my home I could just tell them they can't prove I sent actual drugs, but I'll "refund" the buyer to stay within the loophole.
Yea, that nonsense doesn't fly anywhere else, so I don't know why currency COUNTERFEITERS would be able to get away with it.

 

They wouldn’t come if they didn’t have proof generally and even then they couldn’t always make a case stick. Nonsensical emotional arguments because of what someone wishes to happen and think should happen doesn’t make it legal. That’s not how the law works especially not at the federal level.

 

Come on. By your logic the seller is just somebody that knows nothing about coins, but sells a lot of them and has no idea what they are selling. As I mentioned in my post, I simply went through a bunch of coins that had starting bids at .99 and happen to win two of their coins. I didn't realize that INB was a garage slab and that's on me, but representing the coin as a MS70 when it clearly is not, is fraud.