From blurry pics to in-hand - wrong denomination, but I'm happy!

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by Numismat, May 21, 2018.

  1. Numismat

    Numismat World coin enthusiast

    Took a gamble on a coin presented with very blurry photos and described as an 1830 Bolivia 4 soles. I couldn't make out much, but had a feeling that it may be a very nice high grade coin.

    Seller pics:
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    Fast forward a week and I receive it... a very nice coin indeed, but the smaller 2 soles instead of 4 as described. I'm quite happy about this though, as the 1830 2 soles is less common than the 4 (which itself is probably the most common date/denom bearing this design). I'm also very happy that the coin is relatively well struck for this normally weak type and retains some cartwheel luster around the outer legends and fields.
    Another point of interest is that the coins weighs 6.74 grams, which is in line with the higher silver content pieces minted up until 1825. The pieces of 1830 were debased and lighter than their predecessors, but looks like higher weight pieces are known. Coinfactswiki lists a similar example that is nearly 7 grams.

    Anyone else take a chance on terrible pictures and were glad that you did? :)

    In hand:
    Bolivia_2S_1830_1.jpg Bolivia_2S_1830_2.jpg
     
    Last edited: May 21, 2018
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  3. CoinBlazer

    CoinBlazer Numismatic Enthusiast

    Ooooof to that seller
     
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  4. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Doubled die too nice find
     
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  5. Numismat

    Numismat World coin enthusiast

    Looks like it for sure, but I believe it may just be repunched letters. These coins were not made to very high quality standards :)
     
  6. Hiddendragon

    Hiddendragon World coin collector

    Hard to believe someone would even try to list an item for sale with photos like that.
     
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  7. NLL

    NLL Well-Known Member

    Where did this oooof garbage come from? Everyone at my High School seems to know what this is.
     
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  8. Numismat

    Numismat World coin enthusiast

    I wonder this all the time. Why even bother posting a photo if no one can make out what you're selling. And I've seen even worse ones than this! The one thing I do like is the challenge and occasional opportunity to get a good buy, though I've also been burned a few times.

    It came from some video games. People seem to use it in conjunction with "RIP".
     
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  9. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    Wow! Nice score!

    Years ago, I got this sweet little Ceylon 1/4 cent in an eBay auction, where it looked like a blurry brown disc in the photos. For ten bucks, I took a chance.

    The colors on it were stunning. Much more stunning than even these professional photos by Todd Pollock (BluCC) show. It had some really awesome target toning that doesn't really show here. Not even Todd fully captured its true beauty, but it was quite a small coin and was probably difficult to photograph.

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  10. Numismat

    Numismat World coin enthusiast

    Good deal! These seem to be prone to toning, probably due to the environment of where they came, but often ugly and undesirable toning. Your coin is a stunner indeed :)
     
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  11. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    Can't believe how sharp that Bolivian is. I'm not sure I'd have taken the chance. In those blurry photos, it could've been a Chinese counterfeit, and I'd have been none the wiser. Probably would've been too scared to pull the trigger. The gamble certainly paid off for you, though- that's a sweet coin!

    I suppose flaws in photos or listings can sometimes favor the bold bidder who's willing to take a chance. That probably scared off some of your potential competitors.
     
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  12. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    PS- Bolivar looks a bit like the emperor Domitian there:

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    Maybe my old denarius is not the ideal comparison, but I've seen Domitian on quite a few other ancients with very similar features to that Bolivar portrait. It's in the mouth and the facial expression.

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  13. Numismat

    Numismat World coin enthusiast

    Had to google the guy, but you're right, a lot of close resemblance in those mugs.

    Unfortunately there aren't many ways left to get good deals from eBay auctions which don't require a bit of a "shot in the dark"
     
  14. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    There are Domitian coins where he has that same sorta sleepy look, like Bolivar does here.
     
  15. Numismat

    Numismat World coin enthusiast

    There we go :)
    (Image from Wildwinds)

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  16. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

  17. gxseries

    gxseries Coin Collector

    There is one coin that came in a junk Russian copper lot. I probably retold this story so many times in other thread.

    This was when Russian coin prices started to skyrocket maybe around 2007 ish. For some reason I decided to join the frenzy. Believe the lot was a kilo of Imperial Russian coins. The photos were quite accurate to describe how bad they were - bent, corroded, holed, damaged, low grade etc. The seller also did kindly mention that it was stored in a damp environment. Against all wisdom, the lot ended up higher than 100 dollars. For melt value, that's certainly too high.

    When I received it, I couldn't hide my disappointment. In fact I thought I blew it. In the next two weeks, I was trying to identify them and sell the duplicates to minimize loss. There were some that were completely gone.

    There were a couple of rotated error coins that I identified as I was photographing them to be sold. It was another two weeks that it took me to get my heads around a really low grade coin as I tried to put a year to it. It was this one coin that made the difference and it is quite scarce in any condition. Price wise, who knows what it may sell for but in better condition it seems to command a strong four figure in previous auction records. So far I haven't seen one for offer.

    Sometimes its only one coin that can make a difference :)
     
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  18. CoinBlazer

    CoinBlazer Numismatic Enthusiast

    Good question let me ask my advisory board
     
  19. Steve66

    Steve66 Coin People

    Nice coin…

    I have taken quite a few chances with bad seller pics, and have had some very nice outcomes... Of course, I have ended up with some clunkers too.

    I would say I have done better than broke even on the “Great coin to Junk coin” ratio, but I usually don’t take the chance on High-end stuff.
     
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  20. NLL

    NLL Well-Known Member

    Thanks!
     
  21. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Wow, that's one heck of a grab. Congrats.

    I've taken a risk with bad photos, mainly blurry "satellite" photos & when they have arrived, been pleasantly surprised and cheap to boot cause no one else took the chance.
     
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