1856 Flying Eagle Grade? Red Flags?

Looking at buying this one once authenticated. What do you think it will grade? See any red flags?

 

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That just doesn't look right at all to me. The shape and spacing of the lettering seems way off.

 

There is a real one that has been posted here a few times. (Kanga)
Compare it with that photo. This one looks fake.

Here is the link to that real coin, post #44
https://www.cointalk.com/threads/do-you-own-a-flyer.306011/page-3#post-2912080

 

The obverse lettering is wrong. The surfaces look like they're plated or resurfaced. I have my doubts it will come back as genuine.

 

Let’s see the Obverse and Reverse picks side by side.

 

To expand on my comment above -

On the E in United, the middle bar should connect to the upper bar
On the F in OF, the lower bar should connect with the upper bar
The bottom of the point of the M in AMERICA should have a slight left-wards bulge
All of the letters look too 'thin'
The feathers and the leaves look odd, like they have a coating on them

I would guess the weight is off (4.70 grams) also.

 

Fake

 

Honestly, these types of posts make me shake my head. You realize that's a $10,000 coin if it's real right? Is the seller asking around $10,000 for it or are they offering it to you at a fraction of what it's worth? There are no bargains for 1856 flying eagles.

Do you think it's a good idea to purchase coins in that price range without either having the knowledge to determine it's authenticity or have a professional advising you? I personally don't operate that way, and I suggest you don't as well. Don't take this the wrong way, but you have no business buying that coin if you can't immediately tell it's a fake.

 

Nothing lines up or looks like a real 56 flying eagle.
Rick Snow says that nearly all if not all of the 634 patterns given to congress came from the same set of dies. Snow 3

 

clearly a copy. compare to any example in the Heritage archives, for example:https://coins.ha.com/itm/flying-eag.../a/1273-3011.s?ic4=ListView-Thumbnail-071515#

 

Did you read the OP prior to going on this rant? I would not buy this unless authenticated. It is part of an estate from a coin dealer. I am comfortable with the rest of the estate.

How often do one of these surface? How could most people know immediately if it was truly not genuine without comparing to those known.

Part of any due diligence is asking for the opinion of others. Perhaps you should keep yours to yourself.

 

Fake jumped right out as soon as I opened the post. @Beefer518 points out some of the details. Don't bother, it won't be authenticated.

 

I read it, but I don't think you understand my point. Sounds like you took it personally, so be it. Authenticated is not the same as either having the requisite knowledge or having a professional advise you. T I agree you need other people's opinion, I was suggesting those other people be actual rare coin dealers whose advice you seek out and pay for, as oppose to anonymous internet coin collectors.

They don't surface often, but the thing screams fake. This is not my numismatic area of interest, I don't even collect U.S. coins, and this doesn't pass the 2 second test. I don't have to compare it to other examples or do any additional research. The coin looks like a cartoon, the denticles are a mess, and the surface is wrong.

I stand by my point, if you are in the market for a coin like this and can't immediately spot the issues then you are in way over your head. It's sound advice, both for you and other people who may read this, don't go in the deep end unless you can swim.

 

Funny thing I've been checking those out lately, and this one just doesn't look right to me.

 

Only ALL the red flags.

 

Hey...That looks just like my 1856 flying eagle!...and I only paid $5 for it.

Actually, that is a nicely counterfeit. For such an expensive coin, I would only get one that is graded by PCGS or NGC.

 

Was planning on authentication by TPG not a post on CT. I like to get the opinions of the experts here very often but sometimes the members of the forum get it wrong. Link below to a prior question about authenticity question. I come here to enjoy myself. I dont rant like you did but maybe I should try that!

https://www.cointalk.com/threads/1798-and-1803-dollars-authenticity.312149/

 

Look at the letters. Top is real, bottom is yours:

 

I think you are getting a correct appraisal for free.
There is no animosity on either side. It's hard to read sarcasm in print, and
it's not necessary to add inflection when there is none.

 

There is nothing about this coin that looks right. It's not even a good fake.