Where do I file this coin? Augustus or Tiberius

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  1. Topcat7

    Topcat7 Still Learning

    Can you help me, please?
    I recently picked up this coin believing it to be of 'Tiberius' but my research has shown that it is actually a 'posthumous' issue of Augustus, minted in the time of Tiberius.
    I generally file my coins (alphabetically) under the name of the Emperor (ruler) to whom they refer.
    Question?:- Would I file this coin as 'Tiberius' or 'Augustus'?

    AE As, 26.9 mm., 7.82 gm.
    Obv: DIVVS AVGVSTVS PATER. Bust of Augustus facing left,
    Rev: Eagle between large 'S', 'C', facing, head right, standing on globe, wings spread.

    Ref: RIC I Rome 82

    Augustus (Under Tiberius) 34-37AD RIC I Rome 82.jpg
     
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  3. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    Personally I'd file it under the emperor that commissioned it. It is a posthumous Augustus minted under Tiberius to commemorate his adoptive father. No matter how you slice it, Augustus was not the emperor under whose authority this coin was struck.
     
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  4. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    At your place, I would file it as Augustus and let a note that it was struck under his successor and adopted son Tiberius.
     
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  5. Milesofwho

    Milesofwho Omnivorous collector

    I second @Sallent. Less confusion for me that way. However, the second choice made by @7Calbrey could work better for you. It’s completely up to you.
     
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  6. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

    I would do it as Sallent suggested in my database.
     
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  7. ancientcoinguru

    ancientcoinguru Well-Known Member

    This coin was minted by Tiberius, so that is where I would file it. But the choice is yours.
     
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  8. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    I agree with and do it this way too. Whomever was in power is the ruler, no matter what subject or whom it depicts.
     
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  9. Aethelred

    Aethelred The Old Dead King

    I'd put it with Augustus, but note the date of issue.
     
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  10. Topcat7

    Topcat7 Still Learning

    Thank-you. Tiberius it is (bust of Augustus - posthumous).
     
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  11. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    Where would you file a "Consecratio" coin? Claudius II Gothicus, for example--under Claudius II or Quintillius?
     
  12. Caesar_Augustus

    Caesar_Augustus Well-Known Member

    I personally file it under the person who appears on the coin. Where would you file Romanos Lekapenos? Under Romanos or Constantine Porphyrogenitos? I put him under Romanos, even though he took power under the pretext of being regent to senior Roman Emperor Constantine Porphyrogenitos.

    A way to solve the problem is have 2 ruler names: Ruler on Coin, and Coin issued by.
     
  13. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I prefer to file consecration coins at the end of the regular issues for the deceased for two reasons. It keeps all the consecration issues for one ruler together in cases where there are more than one and it allows for changes in scholarship as to who issued a particular coin or series. For example, below is a similar Augustus but from Nerva.
    rb0890b01960alg.JPG

    Who issued the coins for Julia Domna? Caracalla? Elagabalus? Severus Alexander? I don't have one but if I did, I would place it following the living issues of Julia.
     
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  14. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

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  15. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    I like to say my Augustus DIVUS struck under Tiberius is an AUGUSTUS coin...

    RI Augustus DIVUS  under Tiberius 22-23 CE Dupondius Radiate Alter.jpg
    RI Augustus DIVUS under Tiberius 22-23 CE Dupondius Radiate Alter
     
  16. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    haha..it is a coin of Augustus...struck under Tiberius....it'd be according how you file your coins.. of or by...or somewhere in between, purdy kool coin btw..:)
     
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  17. RAGNAROK

    RAGNAROK Naebody chaws me wi impunitY

    Augusberius... :bag:
     
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  18. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    I didn't mean to go further in this thread. I'm no big mouth. Actually, I feel some people would prefer to file as Augustus, having in mind that they have a coin struck before Christ and representing the first Roman Emperor on Earth. Others might choose Tiberius as being the Emperor during whose period Jesus spent the most part of his life. Others might choose either way depending on personal subjective reasons which also partially outstrip the pure logical reason for the filing purpose.
    IMHO, there's always some passion in every field especially Numismatic. Anyway and whatsoever, we agree that it's just.. just coin talk..
     
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