Please help - 1861 Liberty Seated Half Dime

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by J Elliott, Apr 29, 2018.

  1. J Elliott

    J Elliott New Member

    I am requesting help to identify two things on this 1861 Liberty Seated Half Dime. First, is this the “1 over 0” version? This is the best I could do on taking a picture of this insanely small coin. Secondly, what are these three dark Marks on her. It looks like it’s being caused by the flip holder it’s in. Any feedback would greatly be appreciated. Thanks!
     

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  3. Omegaraptor

    Omegaraptor Gobrecht/Longacre Enthusiast

    I'm not seeing the "overdate" on your coin. This is what a real 1861/0 should look like:

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    And the three dark spots are either carbon spots or spots where sulfur may have reacted with the coin. I wouldn't worry too much about them. The coin looks a bit overdipped to me - a coin in that grade should show some luster, and I'm not seeing any, although from the pics I can't tell for sure. In addition, the coin has almost no toning, which is extremely rare on a 157 year old coin like this one without dipping.
     
  4. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Even thought there is still listed an 1861 1/0 variety it has been refuted! So actually the variety does not exist! Your coin looks to be Au from the image provided, In the future you need to post both the obv. & rev. When asking for advice.
    The coin may have been dipped however from the image one could not tell for sure based on the photo,or if the dark spots are indeed carbon spots!
    Carbon spots are found on copper and copper nickel coins more so then silver ones.
    For the 1861 h-10 there are 3 Valentine types since you haven't posted the rev. I am not able to give you the correct Valentine number my best "guess" from the image is a V-2 .
    There are also 2 1861 RPD 's however again your photo makes it hard to even guess on which one it could be....from date placement The 002 looks possible but not certain. There are 3 ddo's for this date however again from your photo I cannot determine any doubling.
    If you can post better images I will check back to give you a more definitive answer to your specimen.
    Please remove the coin from the flip when imaging.
     
    Last edited: Apr 30, 2018
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  5. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    And take a picture out of the holder
     
  6. JPeace$

    JPeace$ Coinaholic

    It looks like it's in a 2x2 of some sort, not graded. I agree with Omegaraptor and Paddy54, the coin looks over dipped and lifeless.
     
  7. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    I didn't say it was over dipped not at all! The fact that the second poster stated that a 157 year old coin should show signs of toning is pure poppycock! And only shows the posters inexperience in colecting making a statement as such. The reply comes from a 14 year old child not a adult who's been collecting over half a century. I said it needed to be imaged outside of its holder as "no one" could make a call on the true condition of said specimen while it is in a 2x2! As well not posted in full just a thumb nail.
    And everything I did post on was tentaive to better photos of the coin in question.
     
    Last edited: May 1, 2018
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  8. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Here's another seasoned vet of the hobby asking for? Photos outside of the 2x2!
     
  9. JPeace$

    JPeace$ Coinaholic

    Yep, my bad. Sorry Paddy54.
     
  10. Omegaraptor

    Omegaraptor Gobrecht/Longacre Enthusiast

    Thank you for correcting me Paddy. I still have much to learn.
     
  11. J Elliott

    J Elliott New Member

    Thanks for the replies and comments. I will remove it from the flip tonight and try to take a quality picture of the front and back of the coin.
     
  12. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    No matter what age you are there's always something to learn...age is but a number and numbers truly don't give you wisdom. What does ...is to first hear what others say, then decide wether it is worth speaking on..rather than thinking on...
    Most important is learning something new daily...if you don't you're cheating yourself as well others ,by not sharing the wealth of knowledge.
     
  13. mynamespat

    mynamespat Well-Known Member

    Personally, I've learned a lot about half dimes by waiting for Paddy to respond to these inquiries. Thanks for taking the time to share your knowledge on this series.
     
  14. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    I appreciate the confidence but no expert here! What I am is a student of knowledge and research...as without reading and researching my words here would be meaningless!
    And yes as a human I do make mistakes....just ask my wife....;)
     
  15. J Elliott

    J Elliott New Member

    Attached a few more pictures of it. Hopefully that helps. It’s the best I could do. 7419E739-76BE-414D-A5D9-1F25E09D8278.jpeg D4E84B2D-8867-44A4-BA6B-E331616A4064.jpeg 6E3D6563-7DE5-4C79-960D-C4503DFDD96C.jpeg F91859DA-8741-42DB-AA40-CDF08C5DCB1A.jpeg
     
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