Anyone know the story with these nazi "coins"?

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by joecoincollect, Apr 28, 2018.

  1. joecoincollect

    joecoincollect Well-Known Member

    Since i started collecting world coins 6 years ago, ive never seen these nazi coins or whatever they are. Theyre flooding ebay auctions right now. I was suspicious when i first saw them some months ago, since the tpg is crap. My suspicion is some chinese company made them and the holders to sell to suckers over here.

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  3. sakata

    sakata Devil's Advocate

    No idea what it is. How about a picture of the other side?
     
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  4. longnine009

    longnine009 Darwin has to eat too. Supporter

    So far, it looks like a medal to me. Two main events in Germany in 1936 were the Summer Olympics in Berlin and the Nuremberg rally.

    BTW, if someone likes that it does not make them a " sucker." Coin collectors like history. No one ever said it had to be nice. edited
     
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  5. joecoincollect

    joecoincollect Well-Known Member

    No duh, i collect nazi coins as well. I said suckers because i dont believe theyre real, so only suckers and not coin collectors would bid on them. I'm pretty sure theyre fake, since another one had hitler on it edited
     
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  6. joecoincollect

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  7. joecoincollect

    joecoincollect Well-Known Member

    im pretty sure both of those bidders didnt read the description where it says "postwar copy coins." Im not sure if theyre even copies of genuine coins. I doubt theyre silver too. I see similar US coins at the flea market for one or two dollars. What a rip off. Does anyone know if the hobby protection act requires foreign coins to have copy on them? Now, if they arent copies but just cheap recent coins made to look real, can they legally be sold without stamping them with "fake" or something? At least the seller is telling you they are fake, but im not sure if they are copies.
     
  8. longnine009

    longnine009 Darwin has to eat too. Supporter

    Sorry I didn't know that only suckers bought fake coins but collectors bought the real ones. edited
     
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  9. sakata

    sakata Devil's Advocate

    Yeah, I should have read the original post more carefully be my first reply. I lost interest in him when he called me a racist sucker.
     
  10. petronius

    petronius Duke

    In the first medal is written "Land Tournament East Prussia, Insterburg". Insterburg (now Chernyakhovsk, Russia) was a German exclave until 1945, when was occupied by Russians.

    Here, more informations about his history:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernyakhovsk

    This could be a celebrative medal (surely, not a coin) of that tournament, and it could be authentic (but it's impossible for me to say). No design or words on the other side?

    The two copies on ebay are "fantasy coins", no real nazi coins exist with those designs. We, in Italy, have similar, with the portrait of Mussolini, like this:

    20lire mussolini.jpg
    It's only a gadget for nostalgic of fascism :vomit:, struck many years after the end of the war. I think that the "coins" on ebay are of the same family.

    petronius :cool:
     
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  11. RickO

    RickO Active Member

    There are real Nazi coins/medals.... and people collect them. It is part of history and though the Nazi regime was racist, denying history will only allow it to repeat. Collecting history is not racism.
     
  12. mynamespat

    mynamespat Well-Known Member

    The label on the basement slab seems to lean a little towards the Nazi glorification side... but that's just my personal opinion.
     
  13. Bert Gedin

    Bert Gedin Well-Known Member

    German Nazi Coins. I have, at least, 7 different ones, all with Herr Hitler's portrait, and mostly with Reichsmark, up to 100. They may, or may not be genuine. Mint locations were - Berlin, Vienna (!), Munich, Dresden, Stuttgart, Karlsruhe, Hamburg.
    Possibly others, too, official or unofficial. Allegedly, Hitler had ruled that stamps could have his portrait, but coins only after Germany had won the war. - As for joecoincollect's query, here is some partial info. Above the Coin is a sign with SS, and also on the Coin. Is that for Gestapo ? Translated wording means "Country Tournament, East Prussia, Insterburg 1936." A kind of German Nazi Football League, with ca 38 teams. In 1935-36 winner was MSV Hindenburg Allenstein, also in 1936-37. 1943-44 runner-up was MSV Boyen Insterburg, also in 1936-37. - I hope that provides a few basic answers.
     
  14. petronius

    petronius Duke

    Coins with Hitler's portrait are the "sisters" of the coin with Mussolini's portrait: fantasy coins, struck after the war for propaganda and nostalgics. Hitler, as Mussolini, never had his portrait on coins.

    Vienna was a mint for nazi Germany after the annexation (Anschluss) in 1938. In Vienna, from 1938 to 1944, were struck the same coins of the other German mints, with mintmark B (was A before the annexation, but A was also for Berlin, so Vienna was downgraded to B).

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  15. Bert Gedin

    Bert Gedin Well-Known Member

    Petronius claims that coins with Hitler's portrait are the "sisters" of "the coin" (as if there was only one) with Mussolini's portrait. Sisters or brothers or second cousins, they exist, and any info about them is welcome, particularly if evidence is provided. - To me, my most interesting German Nazi coin is of 1938, re. the Munich negotiations. Depicted are Adolf Hitler, Benito Mussolini, Neville Chamberlain, and Ed. Daladier (French P.M.). Would you believe it ? - Hitler was born in a small Austrian village, Braunau am Inn. There has been talk of demolishing the house where he was born, as it had become a pilgrimage site for neo-Nazis.
     
  16. chrisild

    chrisild Coin Collector

    His point was that there are no coins that depict Hitler. None. Of course many collectors would like to have such pieces - well, that market is served by many medals. Be they historic (from some nazi organization) or not (obviously there is some demand, no matter for what reasons, so there is some "modern" supply too). And not surprisingly, the pieces depicted in this topic are not coins either ...

    Christian
     
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  17. chrisild

    chrisild Coin Collector

    Yep, and what seems odd to me is that, while the medal commemorates some SS tournament in Insterburg, in 1936, the label says "Julsfest (sic) 1939" as far as I can tell. Huh?

    Christian
     
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  18. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Enough with the epithets ! Continued use of them will result in the thread being closed and or infractions issued to the offenders !
     
  19. Bert Gedin

    Bert Gedin Well-Known Member

    Yes, Julsfest 1939 is a celebration of Nazified Christmas. Whilst the original German word for Christmas is Weinacht, several countries, such as Sweden, long before Naziism, have the word Jul, meaning Christmas. Ebay have been selling a German Coin with the theme of Julfest 1939.
     
  20. Bert Gedin

    Bert Gedin Well-Known Member

    Julfest 1939 - Any links with start of WWII in 1939 ?
     
  21. chrisild

    chrisild Coin Collector

    Probably not; I found this description, but that is about two different medals: one from 1936 (the one in the slab) and one from 1939 (the one that the label describes). The latter apparently has something to do with an SS-VT unit in Klattau (Klatovy, CZ) that was formed in October 1939 ...

    Christian
     
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