Ancient Greek Coin Weight - Real? .. Maybe, Maybe Not

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Brian Bucklan, Apr 28, 2018.

  1. Brian Bucklan

    Brian Bucklan Well-Known Member

    I bought this item probably 20 years ago but put it away because I just wasn't sure if it was ancient or a modern fake. I was following the interesting @lordmarcovan artifact thread when I decided to show it on this forum and ask your opinion. Here it is:

    Greek Weight OYNKIA.jpg
    It appears to be a coin weight with the obverse of OYN / KIA and the reverse ΠEPI / NθI / A. It measures 30mm square and weighs 36.1gms and is almost assuredly lead. The edge and surfaces actually look ok but not sure about it. Any opinions? (and please be honest)
     
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  3. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    I know nothing about ancient weights but might it be from Thrace? Could ΠEPI / NθI mean Perinthus?
     
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  4. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    It's all Greek to me!

    You'd not have any difficulty convincing me it was legitimately ancient from the looks of it, but looks alone and my nonexistent knowledge aren't exactly anything upon which to base one's confidence.

    Neat lookin' - I'll say that.
     
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  5. Brian Bucklan

    Brian Bucklan Well-Known Member

    Include me in the "I don't know much about these either" group. Looks like it refers to UNCIA on one side and PERINTHUS on the other but don't even know if that coin type and that city are related in some way.
     
  6. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    What weight standard was in use in Perinthus and is 36.1g correct for that standard? That is too heavy for a Roman ounce but I have no idea what other standards were current.
     
  7. Brian Bucklan

    Brian Bucklan Well-Known Member

    i suspect a weight could have been used for a group of coins, and not a single piece, but that's just a guess. I'm just hoping someone knows more about these than I do.
     
  8. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Say, @Brian Bucklan - you're bargainbinancients, right?

    (Duhh, of course you are. It's right there in your signature line.)

    Like your stuff.

    Remember this fun little Calabria, Taras obol I bought from you a while back? I don't have it anymore, but enjoyed it while it was in my possession. :)

    Calabria-Taras-AR-obol-006560-1.png
     
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  9. Brian Bucklan

    Brian Bucklan Well-Known Member

    Thanks! I do remember that coin but never knew that it was you who purchased it.
     
  10. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    CNG's archives have a variety of weights. Here are a couple of listings that might have oblique bearing on your object-- the first because it is of generally similar design and it is from Thrace (and it's approximately double the weight of your object), and the second for the written blurb.

    https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=336675
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    397, Lot: 913. Estimate $150.
    Sold for $95. This amount does not include the buyer’s fee.

    PB Three ounce weight. Thrace, circa 2nd-3rd centuries AD. TPI/OVN/KIN within linear square border / ITA/ΛI/KON in three lines with linear square border (39x38mm, 76.97g). Rochesnard p. 44/1. VF, some minor chips and scrapes.


    https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=100182
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    157, Lot: 386. Estimate $100.
    Sold for $60. This amount does not include the buyer’s fee.

    Hellenistic PB weight. Circa 1st century BC-AD. Square 1 Uncia (30mm, 26.37 g). A within raised border / Fragmentary Greek inscription- [...]OPA[...]/[..]ETP[...]. Cf. Münz Zentrum XXXVII, 4103. Fine, brown and gray patina.
    From the Garth R. Drewry Collection; ex Malter XXXIX (2 April 1989), lot 20.These Hellenistic weights are often marked with the name of the magistrate responsible for regulating the use of mercantile weights. In this case the reverse mold for a larger weight was used, meaning that the full inscription is not visible.
     
  11. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    If I were a dealer in antiquities like some of y'all are, I'd probably have to have resort to using all too many stickers that said, "authenticity believed, but not confirmed".
     
  12. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

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  13. Brian Bucklan

    Brian Bucklan Well-Known Member

    That is really interesting. The design of that weight is extremely similar to mine (square, heavy borders, square within, coin type name within the square). Actually what I read on the obverse may be TPI / OYN / KIA which also is quite telling.
     
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