A Riddle for your weekend...

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Insider, Apr 20, 2018.

  1. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    V. Kurt Bellman, posted: "...because the numismatic market will run out of many many things before it runs out of morons."

    Now, that is one of the few things you have posted in this thread that I will agree with. And you know what? Those morons :bucktooth: are entitled to have strong personal opinions. I try to see the humor in their :confused::wacky: uninformed posts as much as possible as they and their opinions have no effect on the majority of folks who keep the rare coin market alive. :happy:
     
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  3. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    Are you quite certain about that? I wonder. My overwhelming personal philosophy is that an idiocracy is in full flower. I work for politicians who are in full "re-election" mode, and the garbage they are selling is being bought up like crazy. A good 90% or more of current legislation moving in my state is all for show, and not serious public policy.
     
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  4. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I don't think so. I don't think it has anything to do with the rubber band being a rubber band. I think rubber bands are simply the thing commonly used.

    In other words, I believe that you could take a piece of string, or even thread, or anything else, and tie it around the flip. Leave it for whatever time it takes, and the very same dark band around the coin will appear on the coin - just like it does with the rubber band.

    What I'm trying to get across is that it is my belief that it is the touching, and or the very close proximity, of the flip in conjunction with air flow, and the rest of the flip not being that close or touching, that causes the dark band toning we commonly see.

    I'm saying this because I have seen, and seen it a lot, very similar things happen when all different kinds of plastic come into very close proximity and or touch other objects, and is left there for a period of time, even walls. Dark spots, areas, and or bands form on the objects wherever that close proximity occurs - but only there.

    My thinking is that it caused by some sort of static discharge between the plastic and the coin creating an electrical attractant that is drawing the contaminants out of the air and causing the dark toning to appear.

    I think I'll find a nice new penny with thread or string around the flip and try the experiment myself.
     
  5. Insider

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    I thought you and I :confused: are writing about pompous, moron numismatists and not moron politicians.
     
  6. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    I see dark spots on walls where plastic touches them because of mold or mildew, which isn't typically a problem for coins (thank goodness).

    Possibly. But since coins are conductive, if they're in contact with something oppositely charged, they'd discharge very quickly. You can build up a static charge by rubbing different non-conductive materials together, but if you rub one of them against a metal, it just discharges. I'll have to think about this some more.

    Hooray for experimentation!
     
  7. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

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    There’s more of an intersection set than you’d imagine.
     
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  8. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    Oh my cat's pajamas, Doug is experimenting with String theory!!
     
  9. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    That's not unique to ASEs though
     
  10. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    True.
     
  11. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    I don't believe the mint rolls in the green monster boxes have seals on. So if the ones from APMEX have seals on them, they're probably seals that they put on them, which they could've done after searching. Not likely they would though, probably not worth their time.
     
  12. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    LOL ! I like it :D
     
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  13. Scuba4fun777

    Scuba4fun777 Well-Known Member

    The rubber band actually has more to do with it than you may think. Powdered, elemental sulfur is used in the vulcanization (curing) process to make rubber bands ‘rubbery’. As the sulfur reacts with the other elements around it (both in the air & rubber), it creates the gasses that react with the silver that cause it to tone/corrode/oxidize (use whichever adjective you prefer, based on the point you’re trying to make; all 3 are accurate).
    Now, that’s not to say that a piece of twine, tape, glue or any other material used to keep them in close proximity to each other won’t have any sulfur in it. Some very well may.
    I think we’re all looking forward to the results of your experiments!
    You might want to use a rubber band with one set of coins a control, to compare the degree of toning to the others.
    Please keep us posted.
     
  14. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Oh I'm gonna try it. But try it yourself, it's pretty simple.
     
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  15. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Nah, we'll let you do it...why not include a rubber band also?
     
  16. JPeace$

    JPeace$ Coinaholic

    I believe they just take them out of the green monster box and slap their "seal" across the lid. I bought one back in 2013. Paid a small premium for it and didn't buy any more.

    I don't think APMEX searches them either. Especially with the amount of ASE's they buy/sell.
     
  17. TheMont

    TheMont Well-Known Member

    There is a premium being paid for the four 2009 Lincoln Tricentenial cents if they are in the original mint wrappers and an even bigger premium if they are in the unopened mint boxes the rolls came in, especially Roll #1, the boxes are numbered. For the newbies, rolled Lincoln Cents fit nicely into the squared coin roll holders.

    I have an unopened mint box containing five 25th Anniversary Sets. Talk about faith in the mint's packing department. I wonder what some of those coins look like?

    Collect what you like, I like nicely toned Morgan Dollars, but only if they are in TPGS holders. Different strokes for different folks. I even have a GSA holder with a toned Morgan.
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  18. Bert Gedin

    Bert Gedin Well-Known Member

    May I diversify ? Just been for short holidays in Corfu. Anyone know anything about Coins of Corfu (or even if they ever existed) ? Documented info is ok, but I'd prefer personal know-how.
     
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