Removing Toning From Proof Coins

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by *coins, Apr 12, 2018.

  1. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I readily agree that acetone is known for sometimes resulting in the coins turning weird or odd colors when it is used on copper. That said I'm not really seeing a lot of blue on this coin. But yeah, there's a hint of a bluish cast to it.

    Now if MS70 is used on copper, shades of blue to purple are so common they are even expected. But even that typically doesn't result in a coin that looks like this one does. Anything is possible but I'm thinking this coin is just the result of normal toning.

    I'm surprised by this comment as I've never heard of Coin Care removing color on copper. Typically all it does is give brown toned copper a glossy look that simulates the look of natural luster when it is applied sparingly and with skill. It does this because the of oily film it puts on the coins.

    Granted, Coin Care, if used in a certain way, might remove some dirt and or accumulation of environmental contaminants. But remove toning ???

    Are you thinking this is not toning that we see on this coin ?


    To the OP - I agree wholeheartedly that the best suggestion is to sell this coin if you don't like it and buy another that you do like.
     
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  3. onecenter

    onecenter Member

    I would leave the coin alone. You have to remember, this bronze proof coin is 63 years old. It will invariably not keep a pristine appearance.
     
  4. *coins

    *coins Well-Known Member

    Thanks, I am not going to get this coin. Some toned coins are beautiful, but for this one, I would rather get one without toning. I appreciate all of the helpful info!

    BTW, I like your avatar @onecenter .[​IMG]
     
  5. FrugalCO

    FrugalCO Member

    Do NOT dip copper, nickel, or zinc coins in eZest or anything as harsh as nail-polish remover. If you don't like the coin getting worse in toning, would you consider vacuum-sealing to protect the metal from further toning ?
     
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  6. onecenter

    onecenter Member

    Sounds like a good idea. I have done the same on a few coins and sets I have purchased, as well. I recently purchased a much better proof set of Cayman Islands coins that was a dramatic improvement over what I had, and the cost was the same.
     
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  7. Kentucky

    Kentucky Well-Known Member

    Don't think I would call nail-polish remover "harsh", it is objectionable if it contains any other additives other than ethyl acetate or acetone, but it isn't harsh.
     
  8. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    Depends how hard you have to rub to get the nail polish off, I suppose. :D
     
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  9. Kentucky

    Kentucky Well-Known Member

    That's harsh...:)
     
  10. mikenoodle

    mikenoodle The Village Idiot Supporter

    how hard do you have to rub, Kurt?
     
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  11. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    From the backs of the quarters in the jukebox? Pretty hard. :D
     
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  12. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    There is an entire thread on CU or here about turning Proof Indians Blue with chemicals. Acetone was one of them. On occasion, when conserving a brown or red-brown copper coin I have turned it blue :oops::facepalm: and then turned it back to brown.

    The discussion is whether the chemicals change the color or if something on the coin's surface reacts with the chemicals to change the color. Additionally, is changing the color of a coin with chemicals considered "coin doctoring?"
     
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  13. Kentucky

    Kentucky Well-Known Member

    As far as the reaction of metal surfaces with ANY chemicals, even with the chemical knowledge I have, I would defer to the people who have observed these things because we don't know what other factors might enter in.
     
  14. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    I once got somebody's "castoff" vinyl album that had proof cents in it, and the pages were putting out gases so fast you could almost hear a hiss. The proof cents were starting to acquire PVC coatings, but mostly it was semi-hazy rainbow colored gunk on the coins. I treated them ALL with acetone (because it was PVC residue - I almost never use acetone for anything else), and I got a virtual rainbow of iffy tones to the cents (solid on each one, but each coin different). I still have them somewhere in capsules. The translucent gunk is gone, though.

    My suspicion is that the trace amounts of the other metals in the alloy is responsible for this. Just a hypothesis.
     
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  15. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    We shall call these ... "Smurf Cents". Who says Bellman can't market stuff, huh? Bellman now also refers to himself in the third person, like Bob Dole.
     
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  16. Kentucky

    Kentucky Well-Known Member

    And the coloration had nothing to do with the acetone, but with the chemicals released by the degrading PVC...now, how would you remove the toning???
     
  17. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    Stay tuned, Bat-fans, for later. Same Bat-time. Same Bat-channel. Seriously, they're being saved for when I get to monkeying with them again. The most common color is "a little too yellowish to look right". One went greenish.
     
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  18. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    Years ago there were a lot of threads on CU about this topic. The members displayed how the color could be changed back and forth.
    I brought up acetone because that's the only thing, I would try with copper. There are those that do some amazing things with copper but I only know enough to get in trouble.
     
  19. Kentucky

    Kentucky Well-Known Member

    Will do Caped Crusaider
     
  20. Kentucky

    Kentucky Well-Known Member

    Many more allegations made about acetone and copper than about xylene.
     
  21. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Primarily because xylene doesn't cause the problem with copper that acetone often does.

    I've been warning people on this forum, and others, about using acetone on copper for as long as I can remember. Most scoff, some tell me I'm crazy, others simply say I don't know what I'm talking about.

    However, I do. Acetone is well known for sometimes causing copper to turn weir colors, and it has been well known for a great many years.
     
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